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Here's latest download link and recent changelongs.
If you're upgrading mid-campaign, make sure to check the 'upgrading saves' thread.

MOD HERE: https://www.moddb.com/mods/x-piratez/downloads/dioxines-xpiratez-n1-every-day-is-caturday#downloadsform

Read the install instructions carefully. No joke. Srsly. Then the Bootypedia, to avoid premature death.
Suffering awaits. And boobs.

Video Tutorial: Install X-Piratez by Ivan Dogovich
https://youtu.be/L1WUpX9n7gY?t=54m11s

v.N1 29-Apr-2022 Every Day Is Caturday
- New Feature: Merged Nekomimi soldier race expansion by OAK Group & friends. Huge amount of content.
- New Feature: Ninja HQ. The first ninja base is different than the others now. It's much tougher, but also much less active, significantly curtailing Year 1 geoscape pressure (much less free-roaming interceptors, lessened score hits, player gets a fighting chance to carve some score back)
- New Enemies: Raider Sludger, Raider Flame Guard
- New Enemy Mission: Ninja Raid vs. Lokk'Naars
- New Mission: Raider Arms Factory
- New Weapons: Mutant MG, Pepper Pistol
- Glamour half-life increased from 7 to 9 turns; added some Glamour to certain missions vs. Factions.
- HMG and LMG can now be used as GR craft weapons
- Gfx improvements to paperdolls: Academy Nurse, Researcher, Medic, Engineer, Esper, Osiron Yeoman, Church Neophyte, Mutant Half-Uber, Brute, Lamia (by MIKKOI w/ some slight modifications)
- More weapon sounds variety
- Bootypedia reforms
- Bugfixes

v.M5.2
- Extra Prepper Camp missions for Male Path
- Increased Scrap Metal cost of Revolutionary HQ

v.M5.1
- Fixes, QoL (thanks to Delian, Magic Skeleton, Osobist, Kato & others)
- Added hangar terrain for custom craft deployment, enabled all tiles for custom deployments on most crafts.
- A few new events

v.M5 24-Mar-2022 The Five Captains
- OXCE Upgrade to 7.5.3 7-Feb-2022
- Fix: Nun outfit crash
- Fix: Lost Souls recovery
- Fix: X-Vampiress revival no longer available to Green Codex only
- Fix: Killing own cameras no longer gives you "betrayer" while "saving" hideout's defensive turrets - "cavalier".
- New Missions: Zombie Baiting, Food Pirates, Humanist Tank Test, Witch Quests (x6)
- New Enemy: Vampire Lord
- New Enemy Vessels: Black Helicopter, Marauding Army, Rogue Courier
- New Enemy Missions: Bandit Revenge, Ratmen Revenge, Vampire Incursion, Rogue Courier Run
- New Facilities: Revolution HQ (sprite based on Vangrimar's work), Dungeon, Hotel
- New Armors: Maid /PEA (inspired by Interdictor, Bloax & Mikkoi); Furs/PEA & Winter Queen & Skullgirl (based on Interdictor's submod); Sicarius (PEA only; gfx by Brain); Durasuit (PEA & SS); Cleanser (SS only; gfx by Jim)
- New Weapons: Smart Cannon (gfx by XOps), UAC Laser Rifle (gfx by Brain), Ol' Marksrifle
- New Ammo: EMP Rocket
- New Gfx: Bandit Armored Car sprite and wreck (by Bulletdesigner), Armored Church Beastmaster paperdoll (by Brain), Pillbox sprite
- New Gfx: +8 Gal Avatars
- New recruitable special characters (10) from events
- New Urban map by CosmicAfro
- New Maps (5) for UAC Vaults, more loot
- New Music, Music added to many events
- New Events: beyond count
- Fixed insane refire rates of enemy craft on Jack Sparrow, damage per shot raised to compensate for lower diff.
- Flak Tower is now Resilient, storage increased to 50, missile hit priority increased
- Craft Weapon strings expanded to cover multipurpose slots as well
- Charger Laser much more expensive to buy to account for the cost of parts, buffed to compensate
- Replaced placeholder Magical Girl sprite with proper one
- Sound improvements/expansions (most sounds taken from Piratez HQ Soundpack by RSSWizard)
- Limits put on MBT's cannon (mechanics suggested by berriebun)
- Much more Bombs can be carried, but refire on DV and MS slots slowed down a bit
- Peasant Gladiatrix armor buff (better stats + Purple shield)
- Autofire range on most assault rifles +1
- Flamethrowers 33% more killy
- Mumbleball has more potent morale effect but now ignores only 82% if armor (thx to EricdaMidget for field tests)
- Golden Codex: OnlyRunts feature added
- Peasant Revolution: added Scavenging, Propaganda, Reinforcements, Revolution HQ
- Dr. X Arc: added Black Knight Armor (gfx by Brain)
- Some pixels rearranged on some maps for Hobbes to finally sod off (by Solar)
- Minor graphics fixes
- Other fixes, upgrades & stuff

v.M4 6-Jan-2022 Peasant Revolution
- OXCE upgrade to 7.3.3 04-Jan-2022
- Fix: the elusive Snow Jungle/Sea Shambler bug
- Fix: Stormtrooper condemnation now works for all types of enemy bases
- Fix: Slaves Gone Wild work again! (thanks to Kato for testing)
- New Feature: Peasant Revolution
- New Feature: Jack's Dungeon
- New Feature: Active Hunter-Killers should now be detectible from greater distance (+300NM) than normal enemy craft
- New Enemy Mission: Bandit Revenge
- New Crafts: Raptor, Harvester
- New Craft Weapons: Heavy Bombs (DV, MS, IB), Hell Bombs (DV, MS, IB), Bioplasma Projector, 14mm AA Turrets
- New Craft Equipment: Shadow Veil
- New Armors: Hoverbike (Gfx design by Brain, additional gfx by me and Bloax), Think Tank (Gray/Male only), Martyr (Repentia only), Scavenger (PEA, thx to Brain for help with gfx)
- New Weapons: Bioplasma Gun, Smart Grenade Launcher
- New Ammo: RPG Round/Fusion (normal & quad), 40mm Grenade/EMP (normal & pack)
- New Items: Fire Resistant Shirt, Antirad Jacket, Grounding Boots
- New Avatars: SS +24, Peasants +24
- New Condemnations (for specific types of missions)
- Ninja Balancing: No longer extra 3 Ninja bases appear due to tech progression. Last scripted base appears later on Blackbeard+ now. However, bases can appear endlessly with a small chance from 2603 onwards.
- Codex craft weapon rebalancing: Buff to flame gun, buff to Ilya (also moved to Light slot), but now requires Orbs to be constructed, Charger Laser for Green replaced w/ Bioplasma Projector (Charger can now be bought with prize: M-Lasers)
- Improved gfx: Raider Firebat (by Brain), Adv. Rocket Launcher (by Brain), Baller sprite/inventory (by Mikkoi), Inventories for Hoe, B-Boy and Drifter (by Mikkoi)
- More debrief music, changed memorial music
- V8 is now undetectable
- Wench outfit now harder to detect to enemies
- Very skimpy/scout outfits get +1 NV and/or SPOT 1/1 (affected: Gals, SS, Peasants, Gnomes).
- Standard rocket launchers/RPGs no longer work in 0g
- Tech shift worth mentioning: Broken Merc Engineer now needed for X-Gauss, while Synthsuit needs only Broken Guild Engineer and Merc Soldier.
- Adjustments, rebalances, reworks
- Tech tree updates
- Varios Minor Fixes

v.M3 28-Nov-2021 The Planet of Rust
- OXCE update to v.7.1.4 20-Oct-2021
- New Enemy Mission: Early Air Banditry version
- New Mission: Precint Under Siege
- New Enemies: Mohawk, Ogre Convict, Highwaymen Scout Quad
- New Enemy Crafts: Ninja Bomber, Thunderbolt
- New Crafts: Incinerator, Raiding Party, Daredevil
- New Craft Weapons: 2x50mm AA, Viper Rockets, Divebombs (IB), Avalanche (IB), Heavy Plasma Charger
- New Armors: Refractor (SEA), UAC Space Suit (SEA), Armored Car *14mm, Polar Outfit, Nun (Peasant)
- New Weapons: Ghetto Gun, Stop Sign, Napalm Nades, Govt Pistol
- New Ammo: Mortar Shells/Acid, Longbow Acid Arrows
- New Trainings: Gun-Kata, Officer (humans)
- New Feature: Spy on Ninjas
- New Feature: Starting bonuses depending on geographical region and contry
- New facility and vessels Pedia backgrounds by OAK Group
- New 3x3 mapblocks for most huge maps by Solarius Scorch
- Multiple bad ending videos (different for each lose condition)
- Gfx improvements by Brain: Manhack, Blue Armor line, Assault Suit, Tornado hand obj.
- Gfx replacement: Smuggler Catgirl (Doll - SmoleVN; corpse inv - Alunvirae; sprite & corpse floor - Osobist)
- Establishing new Hideouts is a bit cheaper now
- Some facilities can now passively detect enemy Hideouts nearby
- Flattened mind control power curve a bit
- Improved abilities of Runt and Wench outfits
- Ninja raid skip/abort penalty reduced
- Less Ninja interceptors, more APCs
- Reduced Ninja interceptor radar ranges
- Ninja base construction (after the first base) is now randomly delayed
- Added global labels (by OAK Group)
- More Music
- More Sounds
- Moar Events
- Moar Loar
- Moar Features
- Boring stuff & other Bullshit
- Lots and lots of minor fixes

v.M2 28-Sep-2021 Shadow Robots and Immortal Amazons
- OXCE upgrade to 7.1 29-Sep-2021
- Fix: Condemnations applied more properly (due to new OXCE)
- Fix: Ninja Jetfighter's shield removed
- New Mission: Halls of Fear
- New Enemy Units: Wraith Guard, Female Wraith versions (x2), Demon Warden
- New Craft: Big Bird
- New Soldiers: Destroid (paperdoll by Brain, postproduction by me, based on XOPS work), Xenforcer (gfx by Brain)
- New Armors: Minx (Gray only), Hermit (Green only), Crystalsinger (Bugeye; 3 ver.: normal, sea, shadowrealms; based on gfx by The Martian); Nightgown (SHA version), Hyena Rider (2x2)
- New Weapons: Shadowrealms Weapons (x2), 14mm Antitank Rifle, Accursed Swill, Gray Spellbook (11 spells), Plasma Tommy
- New Features: Lost Souls/Offerings to Demon Gods; Gifts of Golden Prince/Harems/Brides; Zombification/Zombie Revival; Handling Slime/SDD/Poltergeist (codex-dependant)
- New Condemnations: Traditional, Shellshocked, Atomic, Radical, Executioner, Thorny, Stabber, Femme Fatale, Hammerer
- New misc mapblocks (x3)
- Ninja bases activity reduced by 20%, Outposts by 33%; Ninja bases grow a bit slower
- Red-Eyed Brat's patience +1 month
- Accuracy on light craft cannons of all types up to +15%. Damage per shot reduced to compensate.
- Big craft guns rebalanced. Some got extra damage for lower acc. Laser nerf. Railgun & Plasma buff
- Jellyfish cannot be detected by enemies now
- Piranha can mount 2 weapons, but no armor, crew cap 2 -> 1, map updated
- Little Bird +missile slot
- Underwater non-scuba outfits fixed/updated suffocation-wise
- During Hideout Defenses, 15% for each Gal to be out of her uniform (other races unaffected)
- YET ANOTHER FLAG/PIPES/GUITAR REWORK
- More lore & events
- Tweaks
- Minor fixes, lots of them

v.M1 29-Aug-2021 Violent Laser Battle Against Demonic Ninjas From Another Dimension!
- Good news: this update has so much content it can easily count as double.
- Bad news: due to significantly changed early and mid game campaign dynamics, starting a new game is reccomended.
- Good news again: this won't be happening again anytime soon.
- New Missions/Enemy Missions: At least 12 Ninja-related, including 3 types of Ninja bases; +Void missions (x2); + Primal Hunts (x5)
- New Enemy Craft: Ninja Jetfighter (model by Bulletdesigner), Ninja Transport, Ninja Mobile Fortress, Ninja APC, Ninja Crawler, Ninja Interceptor, Ninja Landcruiser & more
- New Enemy Units: Assassin (thx to Tylor for the fetish suit), Skyforge Engineer, Skyforge Labourer (x2), Ninja Medic, Succubus (credit for various parts & pieces goes to Bulletdesigner, Robin, Bloax & Mannhandle), Mega Bullfrog (rip by Alinare, design by Solarius), Manhack (on the basis of Osobist's submod)
- New Civilian faction: Govt; includes new unit, Govt Armored Car.
- New Craft: Faust, Anachronox, Dutchman, Hunt Party
- New Armors: Moongoose (Gnm) (3 versions) (Gfx by Brain); Nightsprite (for Shadowrealms); Cybermage (Bug) gets sea and 0-g versions
- New Weapons: Ninja Weapons (x6), Shadowrealms Weapons (x5), Ol' Tankbuster, ABC Gun, Pointy Sticks, Chitin Sword
- New Items: Frog Concotion
- New Feature: Several Establishments no longer get destroyed in a single hit, turn into damaged versions instead
- New Trainings: Magicienne (Damsels & Gnomes), Cenobite (Repentias & Damsels), Huntress (Peasants & Lokk'Naars)
- New Maps (minor): Island Resort (x1)(thx to Solar for RMP), Jungle (x1)
- A new way to get to Cydonia
- Somewhat workable no-Codex-challenge (or a way to continue playing for those who lost Drill/Hull)
- Difficulty coefficients changed (removed armor&aim buff on JS, more stats and sell prices impact to compensate)
- All Lasers do some armor pre-damage now
- Little Bird updated (now it's a mini quest, craft buffed, added 14mm Chaingun)
- Casino updates (lvl 1-5 coupons require no tech to claim, some prizes moved from 6 to 5)
- Study Room changed to Analytics Room, double effectivity, max 1. per hideout. Libraries limited to 3/hideout.
- Redesigned the default Hideout layout
- Updates to Portal mission rules
- Slight expansions of Doctor X, Red-Eyes and Red Mage stories
- Gfx: Vapor Trails (thx to Greenscarf and Bulletdesigner whose mods were reverse-engineered to find out how)
- Gfx updates & additions by Brain (including paperdolls and weapon sprites for heavy turrets, new battlesprites for Mechs)
- Expanded LOFTEMPS by Finnik and Solar
- Offline xpedia updated/fixed for Korean version (by Kato)
- Tweaks, improvements & additions
- Terrain fixes and other fixes

v.L10 18-Jul-2021 Old Earth Blues
- New Mission: UAC Vaults
- New Enemy: Toxic Slime
- New Armors: TAC7 (GNM) (Armor gfx by Perekrylo), TAC7-G (Same)
- New Weapons: Cursed Spraygun, Steam Hammer, Wreckin' Ball, Inferno Pistol, Quickfire Plasma Pistol, Predator Autopistol (gfx by Brain), Ol' Magnum, Liquidator (gfx by Brain)
- New Ammo: Blaster EMP Bomb
- New Terrain: Western Town, 7 variants (co-made with Solar, thx for gfx to Bulletdesigner, Luke83)
- New Maps for Academy Outpost x2 (1 by Wolverin), Industrial Slum x3, Temple of Sirius x1, Plains x1 (by Solar)
- New Misc production: Phantom Bolts (alternate), Personal Data Procurement
- Improvements to terrain: Industrial Slum (thx to Brain)
- Improvements/Fixes to terrain: Rice Farm
- Enemy Hideouts overhaul (support by Solar); REQUIRES NEW GAME TO FULLY WORK
- Sell prices lowered at high difficulties, increased at low
- EMPs work better against armor now
- Changed rules on procuring higher Bounty Hunts badges. Now you need BH prizes and Glamour, not BH tokens
- New Pedia category 'Piratin' Tips' to gather all advice entries for easy perusal
- Loader armor: +STR for weaker races
- Fixed stun recovery on enemies
- Fixed Korean font and translation by Injuras
- Gambling: no cost in Jack Tokens for prizes, instead each spin costs 1 Token
- Fixed Anti-E511 vulnerability on Centurions and some peasant armors
- Craft Harpoons +5% accuracy, much cheaper to make
- Slayer rounds buffed
- Tamed Werewolves now bleed as they damned should
- Fruit expansion
- More lore
- More fixes

v.L9 30-Apr-2021 Personal Attention
- New Mission: Bandit Camp
- New Facility: Vulcan Battery
- New Armors: (n)>9000 (GNM), Swimwear (GNM)(SEA)
- New Weapons: Alpha Rifle, Zeerust Carbine, Bandit SMG, Tech Knife
- New Ammo: FAE Rocket, Anti-Tank Rocket
- New Trainings: Sargeant (SS), Cleric (PEA), Personal Attention
- Fixed excess stun recovery on enemies
- Gnome outfits updates/fixes
- Slight buffs to GI/Pointman/Demolisher armors
- Adjustments to bullet hit animation speeds
- Updated sound effects for aerial weapons
- Birthday Cake/Immortal condemnations penalize TUs much less, switched to -REA, Energy Regen (Immortal)
- AP clips: same ammo count as normal clips
- FAE damage formula consistency (as well as FAE tech)
- Added/improved missing rank images for SS, Gnomes, Lokk'Naars
- Added distinct rank images for Freaks and Weirdgals
- Supply Ships no longer carry baby nukes, self-destruct again
- A shitton of fine tuning
- Major updates to Korean and German translations, Korean near-100% (thanks to translators!)
- Typo fixes (thx to Marza)
- Fixes, adjustments, improvements

v.L8 26-Mar-2021 One Way Ticket To Argentina
- OXCE Upgrade to 7.0 13-Mar-2021
- New Enemies: Marsec Mobile Infantry, Black Knight
- New Enemy Craft: Marsec Gunship
- New Enemy Mission: Highway Convoy
- New Mission: Dr. X's Residence
- New Facility: Astrosensorium (Gray Only)
- New Craft Weapon: Craft Harpoon Launcher
- New Armor: Immolator (SS, Red Only, gfx design by Brain)
- New Weapons: Wyvern Plasma Gun, Magic Hammer, Rage Bomb, Marsec Weapons (x5), Blacksun Weapons (x2), Secret (x1)
- New hit effect for weaker plasma weapons (by RRSWizard)
- New couple of male deathsounds (including voicetalent of the one, the only, Eric da Midget)
- Dr. X's arc forwarded 1 stage ahead
- Revised condemnations (less +BRA, more other stuff, especially Freshness)
- High tech now bit more expensive to research
- Vampirism no longer codex-locked
- Gray Codex gets extra starting item (Tome of Witchery)
- Updated lategame Marsec Patrols
- buff to small Humanist tanks
- Alenium Chamber is HWD now
- Study rooms now up to 3/base. Datacentres -1 Brainer but no longer require Library.
- Conqueror is now a multi-stage project (so one can start earlier)
- Conversion Launcher now shoots Phantom Missiles instead of Seagulls
- Buffed Shotgun pellets' damage to terrain
- RPG buffed
- Updated Master's Cane (watch out for wizards)
- Moar Gfx improvements by Bloax
- Some extra loot
- Extra events and other bonus content
- Bugfixes, cleanup (special thanks to Kobus); fixes to gfx glitches, other minor fixes

v.L7 04-Mar-2021 Lucky Seven
- OXCE upgrade to 6.9.1 09-Jan-2021
- Fix: Jugulator crash, Maid Outfit crash
- Fix: Slaves Gone Wild issue with Autoequip on
- New Armors (7!): Centurion (PEA & SS), Medisuit (PEA), Synthmetal (LOK), Carbon (GAL), Catsuit (SYN), Tecnovator (GNM)
- New Weapons: UAC Pistol, Baby Boomer
- New Ammo: Handcannon Shot
- New Items: Maximum Overdrive, Universal Refresher
- Additional 8 Avatars for Gnomes (hairdos by Perekrylo)
- Gfx improvements (thx to Bloax)
- Expanded font table (by OAK Group)
- Casino Coupons cost half previous value on sale now
- Added action names for consummables
- Added melee attack for Astrocaster
- Revised workings of Pirate Flag and similar items
- Map fixes, weapon fixes, other minor fixes (thx to Meridian, Marza, Neelix :3 )
« Last Edit: May 01, 2022, 02:19:48 pm by Dioxine »

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Re: [TOTAL CONVERSION] Piratez Extended
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2015, 10:11:15 pm »
Looking forward to it bro :D

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Re: [TOTAL CONVERSION] Piratez Extended
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2015, 10:47:35 pm »
Extended just replaces the EXE, right.  No other modifications to Open-Xcom are needed?

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Re: [TOTAL CONVERSION] Piratez Extended
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2015, 11:24:32 pm »
It doesn't even replace the OXCom exe, you just dump it alongside. If you don't start the game using the custom .exe, it will just work as normal. No modifications at all.

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Re: [TOTAL CONVERSION] Piratez Extended
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2015, 01:41:29 am »
Oh! I have been looking forward to that! Count on me to give it a try as soon as you push something. Hopefully I will finish my current game too though..

I'm guessing you consider the latest Piratez release to be as "feature complete" as possible in OpenXCom?

Just the idea of multiple craft slots for customization and power ups fits really well with pirates! This is exciting!

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Re: [TOTAL CONVERSION] Piratez Extended
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2015, 03:17:03 am »
And so, I'm starting to work on it, and this will be the developement thread. Any further expansion of vanilla Piratez is cancelled, effective today.

Understood. I'll be looking forward to it!

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Re: [TOTAL CONVERSION] Piratez Extended
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2015, 08:22:27 am »
Oh! I have been looking forward to that! Count on me to give it a try as soon as you push something. Hopefully I will finish my current game too though..

I'm guessing you consider the latest Piratez release to be as "feature complete" as possible in OpenXCom?

Just the idea of multiple craft slots for customization and power ups fits really well with pirates! This is exciting!

Well, complete enough to be fully playable & enjoyable. It has everything it has to have, but I'm not saying there won't be new factions/weapons etc. in the future :)

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Re: [TOTAL CONVERSION] Piratez Extended
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2015, 10:13:53 am »
good, good!

unravel all those features,
so when it's my turn I'll just have to copy-paste from your ruleset

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Re: [TOTAL CONVERSION] Piratez Extended
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2015, 01:18:38 pm »
So I've started to build new melee weapon balance and boy it is a complex problem now :)

Here's a table with what I have so far, thoughts on that are welcome (keep in mind that damage is only a single factor: accuracy and TU cost varies, plus every attack will cost Stamina, equal to weapon's weight):


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Re: [TOTAL CONVERSION] Piratez Extended
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2015, 02:45:33 pm »
I think the stamina cost is too high, as it will make the current Hammer unplayable.  I guess an "extended" hammer could be lighter.  Or you could boost the stamina range of the Pirates. 

Creating stamina costs is not bad, it will just make the already very difficult early game, almost impossible?  At least much more bloody. I think the player would suffer many more casualties this way.

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Re: [TOTAL CONVERSION] Piratez Extended
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2015, 02:59:15 pm »
I think the stamina cost is too high, as it will make the current Hammer unplayable.  I guess an "extended" hammer could be lighter.  Or you could boost the stamina range of the Pirates. 

Creating stamina costs is not bad, it will just make the already very difficult early game, almost impossible?  At least much more bloody. I think the player would suffer many more casualties this way.

Y m2. It already gets bad with certain soldiers having useless stats when you hire em and they will be unable to effectively use melee weapons. This complecates things even further, when used in conjunction with the constant draw of stamina from moving you will be running in situations where, run or fight will not be an option since you wont be able to do anything of the two.

Personally I find it to a be an unnessary complication, but thats me. Especially since the gals are starting with terrible accuracy almost always.

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Re: [TOTAL CONVERSION] Piratez Extended
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2015, 03:30:32 pm »
Maybe the full weight cost is too much for melee weapons; 2/3rds might be better. I will also put a Stamina cost on throwing, about 2x the weight of an item (capped at about 16 or so).

Anyway, this will curb the over-reliance on melee and thrown weapons in damage dealing; Ivan's LP shows clearly that you practically don't need to use guns, which is definitely a bad sign.

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Re: [TOTAL CONVERSION] Piratez Extended
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2015, 04:00:18 pm »
It may be true that in the early game you can play without guns, in fact its probably the only way to survive.   Early guns are just too horrible to bother with.  You will almost always face enemies that will just laugh at them.   

My point is that if you nerf melee and grenades, you may make the early game so difficult that there may be no way to get past it.

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Re: [TOTAL CONVERSION] Piratez Extended
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2015, 04:02:17 pm »
Yup, I agree too. The reason for not using guns is that they can't penetrate armor. Melee and explosives are the obvious (and only) answer to that.

A pirate would be crazy to engage a trader security guard in a firefight until quite late in the game (I've got heavy armor now but still nothing to shoot him with reliably). You don't have a gun that can hurt him and you don't have armor that can resist his gun. It's a losing proposition and the answer is black powder bombs and melee rush.

Then you get the unarmoured ones (GOs, hostesses and especially engineers), which are often worth thousands as hostages (which you also only catch in melee) but nothing dead. I've used the harpoon gun relatively successfully for that but it's the only gun I use much.

I have smgs and scoped/sniper rifles for support gals but they can't take out armor so I only use them for reaction shots or if I end up badly positioned. They are basically there for training as it is pointless to have 18 melee gals,  the slower ones get left behind anyways. They might as well have a gun amd carry medikits. Even then, with a tac vest or better I'll often face tank a pistol/shotgun/rifle and punch the GOs in the face next turn for the ransom. Melee is also much better in small spaces.

In pogroms I actually use explosives (rpgs too, if that counts as a gun) more because I value saving civilians more than taking hostages. But you still meet power armor dudes that need melee and a few valuable targets that make good hostages or interrogation fodder. Explosives are too expensive to use in shipping crashes though so I use black powder bombs a lot.

The only time I'll happily use guns is on raiders. They are unarmoured so the guns work and they are worth nothing to ransom. They are actually a bit refreshing because of that.

We use guns irl because they hurt people at a distance well enough to take them out and it is obviously safer because you can duck back instead of rushing forward. In Piratez conventional guns can't really hurt the dangerous types so you are more in a middle ages situation. I believe that when lasers (and other advanced guns) become available, it will change the game.

In fact, I think of your mod as a kind of late middle ages situation where melee dominates because of armor, then you invent guns that bypass it and it becomes more balanced. Which works really well to represent a primitive gang starting up as pirates then coming into modern warfare as they make progress. It is something that adds to your storytelling and that I think is great in Piratez.

It takes a while to get to guns that actually do something (or have enough cash that rpg and grenade launchers can be used regularly) but that's ok. It gives the game a different feel and makes the guns welcome when they show up and it works with the narrative.
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Re: [TOTAL CONVERSION] Piratez Extended
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2015, 04:42:07 pm »
Fair points, guys. I will certainly not impose these ideas upon people without serious prior testing. Maybe it's just my playstyle: I know that personal-armored guys can be brought down with continuous barage of Str 30+ firearms, and using a grenade is basically an easy way out. I usually keep 60% ranged, 40% melee+ranged squad; true I don't want to force this playstyle upon people, but guns seem to be under-appreciated. Like I said, I will test this new melee formula out and see how really it does hamper the melee combat; I think the debuff will be rather slight. Plus there will be new advantages and ways to handle the enemy.