Suggestions on how to improve the mod

[niculinux]

Hey, personally i don't like much the bayonetd musket "aestetically" that is to say that bayonet seems more a rapier attached to it than a proper  bayonet; so i dared t make kinda example of a new one, of coure according to my skills  ...hope guys you would like

[Dioxine]

Not the much wider selection of weapons? The mechanics? The lore/atmosphere?

I meant the XCOM:EU, not my mod. But it's an extension of XCOM:EU.

@Linux: nah your bayonets look like crap.

[niculinux]

@Linux: nah your bayonets look like crap.

I know but please, would you make another for next version. The current one resembles me more a rapier  just my 2 cents

Edit: i also suggest so switch features between musket and flintlock rifle, the former may have to be a one shot one, the latter may have 5 rounds clip, with a bit more TU to reliad. After this these should be still balanced

[Dioxine]

I know but please, would you make another for next version.

I have no interest in it.

[ivandogovich]

Edit: i also suggest so switch features between musket and flintlock rifle, the former may have to be a one shot one, the latter may have 5 rounds clip, with a bit more TU to reliad. After this these should be still balanced

niculinux: You are losing touch with reality, my friend. Both of these are Muzzle Loaders.  There is no such thing as a clip.  That is where the Ol Carbine comes in.  You will remember that you were the champion of that weapon too.  Its in. So don't try to put something else in. 

Honestly, this mod is not about Gun Pron.  Play Jagged Alliance 1.13 with "Tons and Tons of Extra Guns" for that effect.  (Once was enough for me because it ends up being a ton more micro management ... matching ammo types, attachments, etc).

Weapons in this mod should have enough differentiation to give them solid roles and enough variation for flavor so that factions feel unique, but beyond that, lets limit the weapon spam.

[niculinux]

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Honestly, this mod is not about Gun Pron.  Play Jagged Alliance 1.13 with "Tons and Tons of Extra Guns" for that effect. [.]]

Touchè! Ok i really stop being a wepon porn guy 

[khade]

I figure the Musket, Flintlock Pistol and Clockwork gun are all smoothbore pepperbox style guns, with three barrels.  Flintlock Rifle, as has been mentioned is a rifled single shot long gun, also known as a Long Rifle.  In game it might not be that exact type, the one in my head is specific to the North American frontier in the late 1700s and the minie ball ammo used is US civil war era, 1850s.   I wouldn't want my precision weapon to be a pepperbox, too many parts, too many places for it to break

But given that it's basically an pirate design, basically simplifying the concepts behind the guns they salvage to the point where they can build a sniper weapon and ammo with the most basic workshop, I see no problems with it, if you're unlucky enough to not get any sniper guns by the point where you can build one, it's going to be useful, if you run out of ammo for your looted sniper rifle, then it can be useful, it can potentially do really good damage for when you get it.

[ivandogovich]

@ khade:  Thanks for explaining and linking the pepperbox concepts.    I wasn't really aware of them.  Nice to know.  More Head Canon.

[legionof1]

I always imagine the muzzle loaders as abstractions of the multiple preloaded weapons practices that where very common in early muzzle loader era. It wasn't until cartridges where common that preloaded and loading assistants fell out of use in combat.

[Dioxine]

That's how I imagine it myself. Carrying extra loaded weapons, while accurate, would make using muskets such a chore no one would do that. Even more trouble: you cannot stack items in the Inventory, so the bullets themselves would take far too much space. Except if the damage potential and long-range accuracy are interesting (as with the Flintlock Rifle).

[niculinux]

I figure the Musket, Flintlock Pistol and Clockwork gun are all smoothbore pepperbox style guns, with three barrels.  Flintlock Rifle, as has been mentioned is a rifled single shot long gun, also known as a Long Rifle.  In game it might not be that exact type, the one in my head is specific to the North American frontier in the late 1700s and the minie ball ammo used is US civil war era, 1850s.   I wouldn't want my precision weapon to be a pepperbox, too many parts, too many places for it to break

But given that it's basically an pirate design, basically simplifying the concepts behind the guns they salvage to the point where they can build a sniper weapon and ammo with the most basic workshop, I see no problems with it, if you're unlucky enough to not get any sniper guns by the point where you can build one, it's going to be useful, if you run out of ammo for your looted sniper rifle, then it can be useful, it can potentially do really good damage for when you get it.

I think the tree barrel attribute may be put into the bootypedia  description for the musket and flintlock pistol. Maybe Dioxine agrees?

Some lines on the flintlock rifle: i researched it but never used in battle (!!) my hint: but the "minie ball" item should act as "container" for 5 rounds, but the rifle should host inside itself only 1 bullet per time; so this may be balanced with the hunting rifle, th wapons have  same damage (33) but the latter features clips that allow to have 5 rounds in the weapon. Or maybe the hunting wll be removed in favor of the flintlock?

[ohartenstein23]

@niculinux  There's no way to stack items like that in a gal's inventory, the ammo container idea would require reworking the source code.  Also, the flintlock rifle has damage scaling with firing accuracy, so the only way the damage would be exactly equal to the hunting rifle is for the shooter to have a firing accuracy of 0.  Both weapons fill different rolls, so I doubt the flintlock will replace the hunting rifle.

[ivandogovich]

Some lines on the flintlock rifle: i researched it but never used in battle (!!) my hint: but the "minie ball" item should act as "container" for 5 rounds, but the rifle should host inside itself only 1 bullet per time; so this may be balanced with the hunting rifle, th wapons have  same damage (33) but the latter features clips that allow to have 5 rounds in the weapon. Or maybe the hunting wll be removed in favor of the flintlock?

Hmm... I remember distinctly talking about Muzzle Loaders to you a few days ago.... seems you don't listen.

[Surrealistik]

Holy christ that mansion map took forever; 62 enemies? FML. Fun as roleplaying a bunch of sexy knife wielding serial murders was, that shit took 24 turns and I blew the place apart with TK projectors on each of my gals. Is there no other way (running like a bitch doesn't count)?

[khade]

I think I understand what you are trying to suggest, niculinux, but it sounds like we can't stack items, so no we can't have a set of 5 bullets while the gun itself only holds one at a time. . . unless the developers disagree with that statement, at least.  If we could, I'd nominate rockets and anti material shells to have that sort of thing, even just 2 rockets per slot would be wonderful. I'm sure there are other weapons that would benefit.   

I'll leave it to those who have looked at the code and who are smarter than me to determine if this sort of thing is actually possible.