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Offline Eddie

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Moral reaction for stun
« on: August 30, 2016, 08:08:51 pm »
Following Meridians advice for making new topics for new ideas:

Can we have stunned enemies/gals have an influence on moral? It just seems odd for capture heavy play to have moral drop as if you do nothing to the enemy. And the enemy keeping moral as if they are winning.

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Re: Moral reaction for stun
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2016, 08:16:04 pm »
Yeah, to be honest I think a stunned member of the squad should lower/boost morale in most cases. Not all, but most, which means it's probably the better choice.
But as many points as a dead one? Nah, I'd say half at most.

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Re: Moral reaction for stun
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2016, 10:38:40 pm »
Actually I do like the mechanical tradeoff of losing the advantages of shock and awe for opting to capture instead of kill; it further increases the difficulty of the former which is by far the more lucrative and rewarding option.

In balance though it should probably have some effect on morale, though not nearly as devastating an impact as killing.

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Re: Moral reaction for stun
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2016, 10:45:07 pm »
It seems like maybe a 50% effect would be warranted: The gals vanquished an enemy and can think of the ransom but it's not the same thrill as the kill. The enemy shouldn't be as terrified as if everybody is getting slaughtered, but they're still not winning.

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Re: Moral reaction for stun
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2016, 11:00:53 pm »
Actually I do like the mechanical tradeoff of losing the advantages of shock and awe for opting to capture instead of kill; it further increases the difficulty of the former which is by far the more lucrative and rewarding option.

That. Also, from in-game article:

A battle that goes on fer too long increases the risk of enemy reinforcements arriving or sumthin' else going awry (or she just gets bored)

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Re: Moral reaction for stun
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2016, 02:48:39 am »
Another issue is demoralization farming: barely stunning an enemy with say a stun baton, then reviving with X-Grog, then beating him again, rinse and repeat.

You'd either have to trigger the demoralization once per unit, or restore morale when a stunned dude wakes up.

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Re: Moral reaction for stun
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2016, 07:14:01 pm »
Another issue is demoralization farming: barely stunning an enemy with say a stun baton, then reviving with X-Grog, then beating him again, rinse and repeat.

You'd either have to trigger the demoralization once per unit, or restore morale when a stunned dude wakes up.
But this realistic, if you see your friend is constantly abused by enemy your morale would fall :D

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Re: Moral reaction for stun
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2016, 10:04:37 pm »
Agreed, that's torture.

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Re: Moral reaction for stun
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2016, 10:52:13 pm »
In that case, it trains the wrong skill :)

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Re: Moral reaction for stun
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2016, 04:15:01 am »
But this realistic, if you see your friend is constantly abused by enemy your morale would fall :D
Actually moral raises when you torture people, it makes em mad. And you wanna rescue that sad Joe. Morale shouldn't really recover so much when people die though tbh. But IMO you wouldn't know IRL if its stun or dead. Until he rises.

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Re: Moral reaction for stun
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2016, 04:22:49 am »
This is only really an issue if you don't use cave hunts (or any of the other methods) to get lots of mutant meat to bring on missions with you. Sure, they're heavy on TUs for eating, but they restore nearly an entire morale bar, usually. You can also kill the occasional enemy, just to keep morale up.

That said, I do wish there was a dedicated outfit for squad morale upkeep. You've got flags, bagpipes, and guitars, but oddly no outfit that really goes with them.

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Re: Moral reaction for stun
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2016, 01:22:03 pm »
That said, I do wish there was a dedicated outfit for squad morale upkeep. You've got flags, bagpipes, and guitars, but oddly no outfit that really goes with them.

CHEERLEADER?

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Re: Moral reaction for stun
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2016, 03:20:29 am »
CHEERLEADER?

A cheerleader outfit would be pretty great, I think.

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Re: Moral reaction for stun
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2016, 05:36:58 am »
Drum majorette would be more in line with the intended "weapons".

Make cheerleader an outfit with a morale power baked in.