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Offline Dioxine

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Re: Newbe questions
« Reply #240 on: July 25, 2018, 05:12:53 pm »
Can someone check if Tiny Drill and Menacing Hull do not lock out the Conqueror, Zubrin and Cydonia keys? If they do, it is a bug and I will correct it.

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Re: Newbe questions
« Reply #241 on: July 25, 2018, 05:29:44 pm »
Menacing Hull leads to "What's the deal with the tiny drill?".
"Earth's Satelite Network" and "What's the deal with the tiny drill?" are depends on: for Strange Message (1)

Strange Message (2) needs Strange Message (1) and Strange Message (2) is needed for "Cloaking Device Investigation"
"Cloaking Device Investigation" is needed for "Higher Studies".

And since "Higher Studies" is needed to get tier 4 (or final tier at all) it's impossible to unlock without "Cloaking Device Investigation".
I might overlook something but I'm certain that a missing menacing hull research hardlocks the techtree.

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Re: Newbe questions
« Reply #242 on: July 25, 2018, 05:37:29 pm »
Oooooooooookay, so it was all for nothing?
What items exactly do I have to keep?
a. Tiny Drill
b. Menacing hull
c. Codex <-- what is this?

You have both of this items on start.
Codex is a special project.
In short: https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Tiny_Drill_(Piratez)
« Last Edit: July 25, 2018, 05:41:55 pm by FG »

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Re: Newbe questions
« Reply #243 on: July 25, 2018, 05:39:06 pm »
The codex 'drops' the moment one of the four drill projects have been done.

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Re: Newbe questions
« Reply #244 on: July 25, 2018, 05:39:55 pm »
If this are only one time items, then this is clearly a bug to me.....
As far as I know, the game gives you no hint before, to keep this items.

This game doesn't hold your hand, so at some point it was your choice to sell these for extra early cash or storage space.  Also, shouldn't it kind of tip you off that if you have only one of these unique items at the beginning of the game, they might be useful later?

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Re: Newbe questions
« Reply #245 on: July 25, 2018, 05:40:08 pm »
Can someone check if Tiny Drill and Menacing Hull do not lock out the Conqueror, Zubrin and Cydonia keys? If they do, it is a bug and I will correct it.

Both Conqueror and Zubrin required Cloaking devices.

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Re: Newbe questions
« Reply #246 on: July 25, 2018, 05:41:42 pm »
Menacing Hull leads to "What's the deal with the tiny drill?".
"Earth's Satelite Network" and "What's the deal with the tiny drill?" are depends on: for Strange Message (1)

Strange Message (2) needs Strange Message (1) and Strange Message (2) is needed for "Cloaking Device Investigation"
"Cloaking Device Investigation" is needed for "Higher Studies".

And since "Higher Studies" is needed to get tier 4 (or final tier at all) it's impossible to unlock without "Cloaking Device Investigation".
I might overlook something but I'm certain that a missing menacing hull research hardlocks the techtree.

Not quite.  The Conqueror requires the Pocket Battleship tech (i.e., the Dragon), and that one needs Higher Studies.  The Zubrin, on the other hand, doesn't need the Dragon at all.  But I forget, can the Zubrin actually go to Cydonia?

But all that might be a moot point with the cloaking device thing that was mentioned while I was typing out all of that.

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Re: Newbe questions
« Reply #247 on: July 25, 2018, 05:43:12 pm »
This game doesn't hold your hand, so at some point it was your choice to sell these for extra early cash or storage space.  Also, shouldn't it kind of tip you off that if you have only one of these unique items at the beginning of the game, they might be useful later?

We can't assume a new player can know such thing. It's too juicy to sell an item you can't figure out what to do with it for money.
If the ransom would be negative for it the player wouldn't dare to sell it.

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Re: Newbe questions
« Reply #248 on: July 25, 2018, 05:52:30 pm »
How can I edit my savegame to get this stuff?

Attach the latest save and i will fix it.

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Re: Newbe questions
« Reply #249 on: July 25, 2018, 06:03:19 pm »
Here is the savegame:
I kept the tiny drill, but obviously sold the menacing hull.
I added the string of the menacing hull just after the tiny drill, but got then the following error message.
« Last Edit: July 25, 2018, 06:04:52 pm by LouisdeFuines »

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Re: Newbe questions
« Reply #250 on: July 25, 2018, 06:07:22 pm »
Here is the savegame:
I kept the tiny drill, but obviously sold the menacing hull.
I added the string of the menacing hull just after the tiny drill, but got then the following error message.

Have fun. Don't sell it again  8)

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Re: Newbe questions
« Reply #251 on: July 25, 2018, 06:14:15 pm »
Many, many, many thanks @ FG + Ethereal_Medic!!!!!!  8)

What did I wrong, when adding the string into my savegame? @error-pic?


And one other thing:
I was about starting a new game.
Then I saw some strange ghostly units in the Airbus. Can those attack in any way? Has Dioxine added them with the last version, for they haven`t been there for my last new game?
« Last Edit: July 25, 2018, 06:17:07 pm by LouisdeFuines »

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Re: Newbe questions
« Reply #252 on: July 25, 2018, 06:27:09 pm »
I'm still tinkering IF the project: "Shadowtech" is important.
You can't research "Cloaking Device" without it.

Edit:
The shortcut using the zubrin for cydonia seems to work without any codex used and without the option to research "School Graduation".
« Last Edit: July 25, 2018, 06:43:22 pm by Ethereal_Medic »

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Re: Newbe questions
« Reply #253 on: July 25, 2018, 06:44:56 pm »
Oooooooooookay, so it was all for nothing?

Not at all! You are literally the first person ever I know of who sold these things... So you might be eligible for a Guinness record! :D

If this are only one time items, then this is clearly a bug to me.....

Keep it going and you might find yourself banned.
Not by me, I do not have such intention and I don't even mod this board... Just a fair warning, since Dioxine will likely take offence, as it was really uncalled for.

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Re: Newbe questions
« Reply #254 on: July 25, 2018, 06:57:11 pm »
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What did I wrong, when adding the string into my savegame? @error-pic?

Dunno. It's just a single line (6288) under the "items:" section.


Keep it going and you might find yourself banned.
Not by me, I do not have such intention and I don't even mod this board... Just a fair warning, since Dioxine will likely take offence, as it was really uncalled for.

New 'flag' for items in OXCE+ (to hide specific item from the trade menu) can solve the problem once and for all :)
« Last Edit: July 25, 2018, 07:00:16 pm by FG »