Re: The X-Com Files - 3.5: Whispers In The Dark

[tkzv]

Krautbend mission despawn times are random so in order to do that he would have to make the average like double the desired minimum.

Is it possible to simply set terror despawn time and conditions the same as in vanilla game? What's the point of altering them?

[krautbernd]

Is it possible to simply set terror despawn time and conditions the same as in vanilla game? What's the point of altering them?

...i just had a look, those are the vanilla times. I just got a very unlucky spawn as far as I can tell. Still, i think 4 hours is kind of unbalanced, given the progression in XCF is quite different from vanilla.

[X-Man]

Guys, can someone decrypt these mystical symbols for me? 
I heard that they display some kind of research length, but I haven't found any true info about that.

[krautbernd]

Compare the symbols to the reasearch costs listed in the research.rul - voilà, there's your answer.

[X-Man]

Compare the symbols to the reasearch costs listed in the research.rul - voilà, there's your answer.

I found it, thanks. But still cannot understand, wtf is this!
Whay is 'points' means? And 'cost'?

[krautbernd]

Ruleset -> research

[Thunderwing280]

I've been looking for how to find Alien Electronics, it seems I can find them on Alien_Rank2 and Orison nests. Which mission is Orison nest and I presume alien rank 2 are engineers? If so that means there is a 20% chance to find alien electronics on engineers?

[krautbernd]

I've been looking for how to find Alien Electronics, it seems I can find them on Alien_Rank2 and Orison nests. Which mission is Orison nest and I presume alien rank 2 are engineers? If so that means there is a 20% chance to find alien electronics on engineers?

Osiron, and they don't necessarily spawn on every mission, nor do all engineers carry alien electronics (look at the possible itemsets in aliendeployments - usually only one of them inlcudes electronics). Also:

The only sure way is to disassemble certain enemies units. Again, if you want to spoil yourself you can search the rul-files for alien_electronics.

[Bobit]

I found it, thanks. But still cannot understand, wtf is this!
Whay is 'points' means? And 'cost'?

 Cost = Number of man-days (on average, the final time will be 50-150% this value) required to complete this project. If he's right, the symbols just represent an approximation of that cost. Kinda wish they were just numbers though.

Point is the score you get for free for researching technologies, which in turn makes nations like you more, which in turn gives you more monthly income. In XFiles it's not very important, more of a theme thing. As the UFOpaedia says, countries will like you more if you have intel to share with them, especially dossiers.

[krautbernd]

Cost = Number of man-days (on average, the final time will be 50-150% this value) required to complete this project. If he's right, the symbols just represent an approximation of that cost. Kinda wish they were just numbers though.

FYI, see https://github.com/MeridianOXC/OpenXcom/blob/oxce-plus/src/Basescape/TechTreeViewerState.cpp, starting at line 267

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// Cost indicator
{
std::ostringstream ss;
int cost = rule->getCost();
std::vector<std::pair<int, std::string>> symbol_values
({{100, "#"}, {20, "="}, {5, "-"}});

[X-Man]

FYI, see https://github.com/MeridianOXC/OpenXcom/blob/oxce-plus/src/Basescape/TechTreeViewerState.cpp, starting at line 267

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// Cost indicator
{
std::ostringstream ss;
int cost = rule->getCost();
std::vector<std::pair<int, std::string>> symbol_values
({{100, "#"}, {20, "="}, {5, "-"}});

So, if I have research with ##### and 40 scientists the research will be completed at 13 days about?

[krautbernd]

So, if I have research with ##### and 40 scientists the research will be completed at 13 days about?

On average. The final time will be between 50-150% of that value, as per game mechanic.

[X-Man]

On average. The final time will be between 50-150% of that value, as per game mechanic.

Now I got point, thank you very much!
So long time I've been playing the game and noticed this feature only now... Crap
This info will help me to optimize scientists' assignment along projects.

[krautbernd]

Yeah, i think it's an extremely useful feature, given the number of research projects there are in xcf (or other mods for that matter).

[Bobit]

IIRC Solarius actually doesn't like the tech tree. Maybe because he doesn't want all his filler/flavor/dossier techs being tagged as such the first time around... or just because he wanted more complex tech unlocks that a tree doesn't properly represent.