Author Topic: Ship Layouts (Read 19805 times)

Surrealistik · « **Reply #30 on:** September 04, 2016, 08:00:49 am »

Thanks; going to be overhauling most of the others as well.

legionof1 · « **Reply #31 on:** September 04, 2016, 11:07:15 pm »

What type of walls did you put around the power cores in the "feet"? I ask since if they are particularly sturdy engine explosion from interception would have neglible gameplay impact.

Arthanor · « **Reply #32 on:** September 04, 2016, 11:26:56 pm »

I think that was the intent. Spaceships that blow up their outer hulls from engine failures are pretty bad designs, theoretically and in tactical battles for the aliens. For us it's pretty good since it makes breaching easier but I'd expect removing that advantage was one of the aims, something I also agree with.

Stoddard · « **Reply #33 on:** September 05, 2016, 12:26:51 am »

Quote from: Arthanor on September 04, 2016, 11:26:56 pm

I think that was the intent. Spaceships that blow up their outer hulls from engine failures are pretty bad designs, theoretically and in tactical battles for the aliens.

I thought the cruiser had its engines in pods external to the main hull exactly for this reason.

We can also handwave a bit and declare that alien antigrav magic needs as thin walls around it as possible and also cooling.

legionof1 · « **Reply #34 on:** September 05, 2016, 12:46:25 am »

Change sure. I am just concerned if those walls are to strong the explosion mechanic ends up having no point beyond visual fluffyness.

And from a realistic standpoint channeled venting to exterior is the reasonable engineering solution unless you can hard stop the detonation force within the first handful of meters. Big hole in an atmosphere craft is generally speaking only an inconvenience unless something vital is damaged. A gravity drive craft cares even less because it ignores lift surfaces.

Even in a spaceship explosion venting is generally preferred over greater internal damage.

I like the walls for a different reason. The core actually occupies the entire tile for drawing LOS while visually it does not. In most craft that's not an issue but any ship with the "foot" room tends to trap a few crew because the AI tends to remain on the same z level if lifts/ladders/hover are the only option.

Missing the last few crew due a visual vs LOS mismatch is annoying.

Arthanor · « **Reply #35 on:** September 05, 2016, 01:33:39 am »

Venting the explosion outside is one thing that one could argue the cruiser does (assuming you can seal the lift when an engine pod blows up), but most designs (scout ships, terror ships, vanilla supply ships) seem to be made exactly so that as much as possible of the UFO and its passengers gets blown up. Admittedly, maybe not all these are warships but still, they have weapons which hints at fighting being a consideration and they are definitely not a safe design.

Given that these explosions can tear through UFO outer hulls, which is the toughest terrain in XCOM, I guess it is beyond them to hard stop the explosion, but putting some kind of wall between power sources and the outer hulls seems sensible.

legionof1 · « **Reply #36 on:** September 05, 2016, 05:24:31 am »

Lifts being sealable is a given the number of lifts that directly exit crafts. Even some of the vanilla ones.

One can also assume that single core craft may not have blowout in mind in the design given that core failure is fatal to the craft irregardless of secondary damage from the failure.

Blowout is only valid if the failed system has a redundancy otherwise it's wasted effort and expense. Designing something so it will fail given precise conditions but otherwise behave normally is difficult.

Surrealistik · « **Reply #37 on:** September 06, 2016, 04:02:39 am »

Reactor was walled in both for the reasons of realism in that it's a damage control mechanism to absorb most of the detonation as Cruisers are space faring warships (also creates a sealed chamber for coolant/temperature and environmental controls/etc), and to deal with the unintuitive LoS blocking that reactors present.

Surrealistik · « **Reply #38 on:** September 11, 2016, 06:28:35 am »

Could someone provide me a list corresponding ship map files with their craft names?

Stoddard · « **Reply #39 on:** September 11, 2016, 10:26:03 am »

Spoiler:

Surrealistik · « **Reply #40 on:** September 11, 2016, 10:49:13 am »

Awesome, thanks, this will make things much easier.

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