Why HWP is HWP?

[Nord]

How a game knows, which item is HWP? I see no special rule. Is it existence of same-named unit, or what? Maybe counting HWP can be changed? As example to count soldiers as HWP, or not counting of specific tank as these?

[chaosshade]

An HWP is like a four-segment terror unit when you look at it in the rulesets (*/openxcom/standard/xcom1/units.rul) but it's special in the UFOpedia because it has built-in armour and weapons.

[yrizoud]

I think it's the existence of a unit with the same id (STR_) as the item.
From the point of view of OpenXcom engine, I think the difference between soldiers and "hwp" are the following - please correct me if I'm wrong :
* soldiers
   - are hired (can't use the buy/manufacture systems)
   - only one type of soldier can exist
   - occupy living space
   - get random gender, name, looks
   - get random starting stats
   - gain experience, ranks
   - need recovery time after wounded
   - can choose an armor
   - can kneel

* non-soldier units
   - can be 4-tiles, but it's not mandatory (ex: dog, scout drones)
   - can be immune to psionic effects (and morale?), but it's optional
   - immune to fatal wounds  - in advanced ports, I think this is optional
   - can be prevented from using inventory, but it's optional
   - are automatically given a specific weapon
   - can only be fielded if weapon can be fully loaded.

[Meridian]

Multiple soldier types can exist even in vanilla openxcom, the rest looks correct to me.

[Nord]

So, hwp count can not be changed?

[Meridian]

So, hwp count can not be changed?

Of course it can, you can increase a number of allowed HWPs per craft to 1000 if you wish.

[Nord]

Sorry, maybe i spell it wrong. Concretely i need to count my soldiers of special type as hwps. And i think, it is not possible.
And yes, i can put in ranger craft 100500 tanks, but when i land, i will see only 3.

[Meridian]

Sorry, maybe i spell it wrong. Concretely i need to count my soldiers of special type as hwps. And i think, it is not possible.

That's not possible at the moment.

Sorry, maybe i spell it wrong. Concretely i need to count my soldiers of special type as hwps. And i think, it is not possible.
And yes, i can put in ranger craft 100500 tanks, but when i land, i will see only 3.

Well, your craft battlescape map also has to support 100500 tanks

[Solarius Scorch]

Well, your craft battlescape map also has to support 100500 tanks

And I hope you have lots of RAM.

[Nord]

Well, your craft battlescape map also has to support 100500 tanks

And let the Kursk bulge begins! Muahaha!
Ghm...

I mean, if you not guessed yet, that yesterday i tried to give one of soldiers a 2x2 armor. And it works. Then i give 6 of my soldiers 2x2 armor. And got 3 big units and 2 common soldiers(last of 8 in crew) in craft deployed. So, idea is still good, but a bit glitchy.

[Yankes]

And let the Kursk bulge begins! Muahaha!
Ghm...

I mean, if you not guessed yet, that yesterday i tried to give one of soldiers a 2x2 armor. And it works. Then i give 6 of my soldiers 2x2 armor. And got 3 big units and 2 common soldiers(last of 8 in crew) in craft deployed. So, idea is still good, but a bit glitchy.

It fixed in OXCE version where soldiers with 2x2 armors count to HWP limit.

[Nord]

You will not tempt me, daemon! Errr... Apparently, i need to calm down. 
I will humbly wait for Meridian's holy android OXCE+ version.

[Solarius Scorch]

From what Dioxine reported, 2x2 soldiers always have default move sound, which makes ideas like bikes unviable. It would be good to enable custom move sounds, too.

[Nord]

I always liked Ufo Afterlight idea, with light armor using 2x2 space, and heavy - 3x3. Back to graphic redactor then...

[yrizoud]

It fixed in OXCE version where soldiers with 2x2 armors count to HWP limit.

I guess this is awkward to take into account at all times... I mean, load a skyranger with 12/14 unarmored soldiers, try to change one's armor to something 2x2 : Does the game refuse to do it? What if it's the environment adjustment (OXCE+) which replaces a 1x1 unit by a 2x2 unit ?
Oh and there's a possible difference which I forgot : What about stunned/killed bodies ? Can you carry a stunned 2x2 teammate, or a quarter of him at a time? Even witout moving body, what happens when they come to their senses, and there's no free 2x2 space? (door closed/rotated, or teammate blocking one of the squares)