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A Realistic Backstory for the Aliens
« on: August 05, 2016, 11:44:06 am »
I tend to get scientific at times, and I've had this idea in my head. I'm abandoning all of the newer ideas about the aliens, and sticking with what little bits we know about them from just the first two games. From there, I came up with some reasonable ideas to explain where the aliens came from and what they're doing here. This story is far too realistic for mainstream fiction, so prepare to see many fiction tropes thoroughly dashed.

I like to think it all could have happened.





The aliens began as the noble Aquatoids perhaps ten to twenty million years ago. Back then they were a short, slender, aquatic-benthic being with prehensile limbs that could manipulate tools, and large eyes that could see clearly in deep waters. They looked very different from the aquatoids we know today. Their intelligence and communication skills evolved to the point they began going through stages of technological progress. Now, they differed from us humans in that they started off much more slowly. Over hundreds of thousands of years, they very gradually developed an advanced society. You see, these people were naturally tenders of their environment. Their ecological tendencies were strong, and they were content to maintain most things as they were. The Aquatoids were well-situated in their environment as a highly successful apex predator, thus their evolutionary pressure was slow and they had little need to advance further. Thus, their slow progress was fueled primarily by selection of mates initially, and later by sheer boredom alone. Life was easy for them, so they focused most of their efforts on entertainment.

These creatures weren't explorers then, and they were content to live underwater. Population became problematic many times, given how uncommon it was for an aquatoid to die from any cause other than age, but they would eventually find solutions that were ecologically viable. They invented every trick in the book to stave off population growth. Thus they pretty much ignored dry land, even though there existed on their world vast continents covered in large multicellular life. It was well into their technological development that they began to see diminishing nonrenewable natural resources as a particularly important problem. For hundreds of thousands of years they had simply recycled everything, and were exceedingly conscious about resource usage. But some things just couldn't last forever, and it had been too long since they had lived without their technology. Around six to eight million years ago, it came time for them to emerge from the oceans and explore.

The continents were rich with natural resources, but they knew it would not last. The Aquatoids built domed cities on land to hold in the water, and their population began to grow, but resource costs to build and maintain these cities was high. This pressured them to seek out a more efficient way to live on land, and they began to study genetic manipulation. Their goal was to create a version of themselves that could exist on land without life support systems. This led to the discovery that they could incorporate genes from other species to achieve new and potentially useful results. Over perhaps two hundred thousand years, they developed and perfected a being, which we might call the terratoid. And thus the surface became populated by terratoids and they worked with the aquatoids to distribute resources and improve efficiency. But the study of genetics continued, and more discoveries were made. It appeared that there were more breakthroughs to be had which could further improve efficiency...

Over the next couple million years, the aliens built many servant races through genetic manipulation, and became extremely efficient, but the land resources weren't going to last forever, no matter how efficient they became. This led to the eventual discovery that it was possible to leave the planet, and that out there there were more planets. The aliens built mining posts throughout their solar system, but it was a rough start because space technology was extremely demanding on nonrenewable resources. It was worth it, they reasoned, because they had no choice. But the aliens did ravage through just about everything they dared to mine in only a few thousand years time. It was time to leave for the stars, lest they be forced to damage their beautiful planets beyond recognition.

Space travel technology was developed, but nothing like we humans imagine. The aquatoids were more than content to drift through space for many generations. They weren't trying to get anywhere, rather they were simply making a calculated move to protect and nurture their home environment. Thus over the next few million years small numbers of them drifted throughout space, gradually winding up around just about every star within several dozen parsecs. They would carefully extract useful resources from planets and develop huge vaults to store the resources for long term use. Eventually, large shipments would be sent home. Life-bearing worlds were rare gems rich with genetic material they could sample to improve their servant races.

Around three million years ago, one expedition of aquatoids happened upon Earth, and it was the first world they had come across with multicellular life since leaving home. They immediately became fascinated by its wealth of advanced multicellular life, for its land and seas were filled to the brim with all sizes of plant, animal, and fungus, many of which were very large. Earth is significantly larger than the Aquatoid's home world and has over two times the gravity, so it provided a wealth of creatures adapted to a unique planetary environment, spread over much more total surface area than they had encountered on their world. The gravity was no problem as they were benthic beings, and the water could support their frame easily. Thus they dismantled their entire expedition and made a new permanent home for themselves on Earth.

The aquatoids brought with them aquatic servants from their world, including tasoths and tentaculats. They maintained a tight leash on these creatures, however, as they wanted more than anything to preserve this lush biosphere. A servant species let loose could easily become invasive. The aliens built the giant city of T'Leth deep in the ocean on a vast plain where they could construct a large structure without disrupting the natural ecosystem. Inside the city was a microcosm of home, but outside was the natural untainted Earth. For hundreds of thousands of years the aliens very carefully exploited the important resources of the Earth in careful mining operations which prevented terrain destruction. Simultaneously, they built a large array of servant races from the creatures on Earth, and even extracted genetic material from the fossils of long-extinct creatures.

Most of the aliens' time was spent in hibernation. The most efficient resource extraction methods were very slow, and there was much waiting to be done. There was no hurry, and no sense wasting resources being lively. So they slept and dreamed, and remained in stasis most of the time.

It was perhaps twenty thousand years ago that the second expedition came to Earth. They established lines of communication with T'Leth and shared their knowledge. The second expedition had brought with them servant species from other worlds, and new technology unknown to T'Leth. This expedition was not crewed by aquatoids, but by sectoids, a variation of the terratoids built for space travel and environmental resilience. They settled down on Mars and found it much to their liking, for it had lower gravity and dimmer light. With their large eyes and weak frame, they would have found it uncomfortable to settle on Earth. But air pressure was a minor concern as they were content with pressures as low as a tenth of our air, so there were no stress issues with their domed cities.

The sectoids built a city on Mars, in what is now known as Cydonia. They mined Mars for its resources and visited Earth in short stints to take advantage of the land resources that T'Leth had been ignoring. There was a species of ape on the land which was unique among the Earth animals: these creatures would build high-tech hunting weapons out of stone, and hunt large animals to eat. The apes were hugely successful, warlike, and often squabbled with each other. They ravaged lands, hunted species to extinction, and explored in search of new lands to conquer. They were not resource conscious at all. But the sectoids merely watched these apes with interest, and did not interfere with them.

Over thousands of years the sectoids amassed a wealth of precious Elerium fuel which they stored underground on Mars. They were manufacturing this substance by bombarding Uranium with alpha and beta particles. Just like the aquatoids, the sectoids built slowly with great care to preserve the Earth's natural environment. The apes (humans) developed technological advancements rapidly compared to the much slower sectoids. And so the sectoids watched with interest, staying out of the human's sight, and occasionally taking humans for study. It was their intent to make humans into a servant race.

Human war technology grew out of hand, and the sectoids began to fear they would lose control of us. Thus they began to devise a scheme to topple our governments and convert us to anarchy, however as a backup strategy weapons were devised for defense. Through subterfuge tactics and careful application of psionic coercion, the aliens began to sway humanity to turn away and ignore them. Still, small groups of humans persisted in noticing the aliens and perceiving them as a threat. After enough alien research groups went missing, a secret intergovernment organization was built to gather data on the aliens in total secrecy and protect that data so that it could be eventually used to combat the aliens. That organization was X-Com, and it was founded some time in the late 1950s.

For the first few decades of its existence, X-Com studied the aliens and was very careful to ensure the aliens didn't know what they had found out. Slowly but surely, we began to unravel their strategies, the capabilities of their technology, and their weaknesses. We learned they navigated the Earth with levitating aerial spacecraft, and that they could sense animals psionically. We could hide research groups from them most easily by putting them underground directly beneath centers of large-brained animal activity, because the animals would provide psionic waves to mask the presence of the humans. These bases could be hidden from humans and aliens alike.

In 1999, X-Com officially became aggressive against the aliens. Advanced aircraft and weapons had been developed in secret, optimized for use against the aliens. The first attack was a huge success. An X-Com stealth fighter fired a pair of medium range ballistic missiles, each carrying a small nuclear payload, at an unsuspecting alien scout vessel from a range of 60km. The vessel did not see the attack coming and was badly damaged. It crashed into the ground and X-Com sent out a ground expedition to finish off the aliens and plunder their technology. That mission was successful and X-Com walked away with a huge prize.

X-Com assimilated alien technology rapidly in the coming weeks, but the aliens had decided that retaliatory measures were necessary. It was war. Not knowing where to find X-Com, the aliens resorted to the use of terror tactics to weaken humanity's resolve to fight them. A major city was attacked on foot, and the aliens walked the streets, shooting every human in sight. Of course X-Com showed up, but this time the aliens were ready and massive X-Com casualties were inflicted. Little actual damage was done, but the message was clear: do not attempt to fight the aliens lest there be consequences.

In the following year or so, the aliens and X-Com played a tug of war game, with the aliens using smear tactics to make X-Com look bad, and X-Com continuing to plunder more and more alien technology, gaining an ever-larger advantage over the aliens. These weapons were so much more dangerous in the hands of the warrior humans. It quickly became clear to the sectoids that they were going to be overwhelmed. A last ditch effort was made to infiltrate the top governments through direct usage of psionic control. These bold attacks quickly made it clear to every human that the aliens were our enemy, and countries began to choose sides quickly, either aligning with X-Com or surrendering to the aliens.

X-Com won the war by attacking Cydonia and killing the hive brain. The sectoids lost control of their servant races and their lines of communication were breached. The few remaining aliens on Earth were systematically hunted to extinction. But during the attack on Cydonia, a message was sent to T'Leth. Humans didn't know about T'Leth yet, and so the aquatoids would keep it that way for a time. They quickly began to wake from their sleep and build war technologies. It was preparation for a massive invasion.

In 2039, the humans had almost forgotten about the aliens. It was then that the aquatoids attacked, striking down key targets in an attempt to disrupt Earth's ability to put up a fight. Military targets were attacked, as well as logistics chains and supply warehouses. They wanted to take away our weapons. X-Com still existed, but it was running skeleton crews and was not prepared for another invasion. Governments gathered in secret and equipped X-Com quickly to enable them to fight yet another war. Unfortunately, they could not take advantage of plasma weapons technology from the last war due to Elerium shortages, and the fact that the huge stores of Elerium on Mars had not yet been found. Plasma weapons had been outlawed, and all existing weapons had been locked up in secret vaults. The technology remained in computer files but not even X-Com could use the weapons or own Elerium.

So back to war we went, but this time there were far more casualties. X-Com struggled against the aliens' sheer might, but our ability to plunder technology and wage wars proved too much for them and once again we began to gain the upper hand. It was all downhill from there. It was a close call, but we won the war and destroyed T'Leth. We discovered human/sectoid hybrids and spared them because they were around 95% human, but destroyed all other servant species. The hybrids were able to re-integrate into society for the most part but were subject to racial tensions and prejudice.



Someday perhaps we will meet the sectoids and aquatoids again. Perhaps next time, circumstances will be different.
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Re: A Realistic Backstory for the Aliens
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2016, 01:08:59 pm »
Thank you for the very interesting read. It is quite good and well-written.

One minor issue I have is that both tentaculats and tasoths are made purely for war. Why would aquatoids need such creatures, if they were not at war, and possibly never fully developed military strategy by then? It would be more more logical for them to engineer them much later.

Another small point I found unlikely, that all plasma weapons were destroyed. Really? By whom? I don't think any organization on Earth would be fanatical enough to do so. And plasma weapons were too spread. I'd drop this part and just focus on Elerium shortage.

But I also have one big problem with the entire story. What happened to the Ethereals? Were they just another servant race, not even worth mentioning? I think it's too big of a hand wave, really.

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Re: A Realistic Backstory for the Aliens
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2016, 06:55:42 pm »
I'm not entirely certain the tentaculats and tasoths were meant only for war. Maybe that is merely how our scientists interpreted them. But alternatively, they may have had a huge variety of servant creatures at their disposal and selected from among them the most warlike when it came time to wage war. Most of the species were probably contained in DNA banks when they arrived. They had worked at genetic manipulation for millions of years. On a large scale they may have never needed a warfare creature, but on a small scale I'm sure there were plenty of occasions when a few of the rougher things were important.

Perhaps the plasma weapons weren't destroyed, but one way or another X-Com couldn't get their hands on them. I could edit that part of the story for sure.

I don't see anything wrong with the Ethereals being a servant race. The wording used may make it sound to us like they were subservient to, or even enslaved by, the Aquatoids, but the relationship could have been different. Or maybe they were enslaved. Since they are genetically manipulated just like the other servant races, it should be a cinch to keep them in line--they probably enjoy doing their job which seems to be running the other servants en masse.

It is not unreasonable to assume that the creature the ethereals came from were just animals with psionic powers, with no technology and no civilization. They could have been a much more substantial animal, atrophying over time in their new career. Or perhaps the sectoids directly atrophied them through genetic manipulation, took away excess flesh they didn't need. Most of the servant races seem to be missing what we might say are important parts, while the sectoids only lack genitalia which they clearly have no need for.

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Re: A Realistic Backstory for the Aliens
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2016, 09:25:53 pm »
I'm not entirely certain the tentaculats and tasoths were meant only for war. Maybe that is merely how our scientists interpreted them. But alternatively, they may have had a huge variety of servant creatures at their disposal and selected from among them the most warlike when it came time to wage war. Most of the species were probably contained in DNA banks when they arrived. They had worked at genetic manipulation for millions of years. On a large scale they may have never needed a warfare creature, but on a small scale I'm sure there were plenty of occasions when a few of the rougher things were important.

I don't know, the zombification process seems to have little use outside terror warfare. I mean, it's so energy expensive, I doubt it would even be possible naturally (without something like Elerium blood).
Tasoths are more likely to be non-combat originally, but whatever they were, they were awesome.

Perhaps the plasma weapons weren't destroyed, but one way or another X-Com couldn't get their hands on them. I could edit that part of the story for sure.

Yeah, I think it's a good idea.

I don't see anything wrong with the Ethereals being a servant race. The wording used may make it sound to us like they were subservient to, or even enslaved by, the Aquatoids, but the relationship could have been different. Or maybe they were enslaved. Since they are genetically manipulated just like the other servant races, it should be a cinch to keep them in line--they probably enjoy doing their job which seems to be running the other servants en masse.

Yes, I'm not saying it's impossible. I just wanted to know more about them, because they're so smooth. :)

It is not unreasonable to assume that the creature the ethereals came from were just animals with psionic powers, with no technology and no civilization. They could have been a much more substantial animal, atrophying over time in their new career. Or perhaps the sectoids directly atrophied them through genetic manipulation, took away excess flesh they didn't need. Most of the servant races seem to be missing what we might say are important parts, while the sectoids only lack genitalia which they clearly have no need for.

Hmmm, they look pretty similar to the Aquatoids themselves... Could they have been a ruling caste or something, created by Sectoids?

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Re: A Realistic Backstory for the Aliens
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2016, 03:33:10 am »
I don't know, the zombification process seems to have little use outside terror warfare. I mean, it's so energy expensive, I doubt it would even be possible naturally (without something like Elerium blood).
Realistically speaking, such a weapon might attack their nervous system and temporarily bring them under control of the aliens' psionic will. The physical changes that grow a tentaculat inside it would likely occur over the course of days--and that's assuming the tentaculat is made of simple tissues that can grow quickly. It would also need a nutritional supplement to make up for what is lacking in the body it's consuming. But from a gameplay standpoint, it makes more sense to have them burst out right away. And zombification is far from the only example of game functions that happen unrealistically fast. If a turn is 10 seconds, then an entire terror mission will tend to last under two minutes, yet you can take most of a day to arrive and still get there before any civilians have been killed.

I think the tentaculat transformation is probably useful for gaining control of aggressive animals that are difficult to control through the use of force. If you unleash a few tentaculats on them in a wide landscape with room to hide, the tentaculats can lurk about and ambush the animals, rendering them helpless almost immediately. Within a short time, the tentaculat population begins to grow and overwhelm the native population. After they take heavy losses, the aquatoids can move in and capture the stragglers. It's probably not a favorite of theirs, but with over three million years worth of creating servant races, they probably found a use for it somewhere.



Yes, I'm not saying it's impossible. I just wanted to know more about them, because they're so smooth. :)

Hmmm, they look pretty similar to the Aquatoids themselves... Could they have been a ruling caste or something, created by Sectoids?
The Ethereals, Gill Men, Deep Ones, Mutons, and Aquatoids/Sectoids all have a startlingly humanoid appearance. The obvious explanation is that the developers at MicroProse were humans, but if we want to make some realism out of it, there's still some room.

The Gill Men are explained to be genetically related to humans and are also reptilian. They may be a servant race created from human DNA as a baseline but strongly altered to make them useful as aquatic servants. Their seeming to have a history as a distinct people could hint at a much richer backstory.

The Deep Ones are probably captured humans which have been altered. It may be a weapon created in haste, without full development into a proper servant race, they may rely on making surgical alterations to each individual instead of growing them all from scratch.

The Mutons' form is a perfect match for a human, and even their internal organs (what few are left) look the same as ours. They may appear genetically distinct from humans so far as to be thought to have originated on another planet, but it is more likely they were built from humans. The armor is implanted surgically and may have been added as an afterthought when the humans started to get frisky. Perhaps the sectoids weren't sure which direction to take the human servant race, and left it flexible and receptive to surgical implants. Had they had more time, they might have better developed the mutons.

The Ethereals bear a form that most closely resembles a human, but it could also be based on the aquatoid form. Its internal organs are largely removed, and all that appears to be left (in the autopsy image) is a large pair of lungs, a likely mechanical heart, and some lower abdominal mass that may serve to store and process nutrient fluids that are fed to them, perhaps intravenously. It could easily be an elongated terratoid with its head mass reduced, with excess brain functions removed. The broad shoulders probably help support the enlarged lungs. I'd think they probably don't need enlarged lungs most of the time, but there might be some reason behind that which I don't know about.

And that leaves us with only one coincidence of similarity, and it's not even that strong of a coincidence. I find that believable. The aquatoids likely evolved from a slightly monkey-like creature that walked upright on the sea floor, gradually transforming from a swimming creature. They probably retain the ability to swim much like we retain the ability to climb trees. Their benthic nature and prehensile hands would prove useful in manipulating their environment in inventive ways, promoting further growth of their social and communication skills, as well as enlargement of their brains.

Perhaps also the aquatoids did not evolve psionic powers naturally. Psionics may have been first discovered as a trait existing in the ancestors of ethereals--the being from which the psionic traits were "borrowed", which would mean that the founders of T'Leth had never seen or heard of psionics. They used their firm grasp of field manipulation technology to form a system of remote control, we know it as Molecular Control and it functions similarly to psionics in outward appearance but is much less energy efficient as well as being functionally very different. It may require the expenditure of zrbite to maintain control, while psionics do not exhaust any non-renewable resources.



Zrbite is made from gold and is perhaps the fuel source originally invented to enable long-distance space travel. Later expeditions learned to create Elerium fuel and decided it was superior, perhaps because uranium is so much more abundant while gold is going to be in high demand for other uses.



I'm enjoying discussing this with you! The more we talk about it, the richer the backstory can become!
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Re: A Realistic Backstory for the Aliens
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2016, 12:44:22 pm »
Realistically speaking, such a weapon might attack their nervous system and temporarily bring them under control of the aliens' psionic will. The physical changes that grow a tentaculat inside it would likely occur over the course of days--and that's assuming the tentaculat is made of simple tissues that can grow quickly. It would also need a nutritional supplement to make up for what is lacking in the body it's consuming. But from a gameplay standpoint, it makes more sense to have them burst out right away. And zombification is far from the only example of game functions that happen unrealistically fast. If a turn is 10 seconds, then an entire terror mission will tend to last under two minutes, yet you can take most of a day to arrive and still get there before any civilians have been killed.

I don't think we can say that a turn literally takes 10 seconds, much like we can't say that the entire terror mission takes place on 250 square metres. Or that nobody in town has a toilet. These are some simplifications of the battlefield, or a smaller scale.

With the Tentaculat/Chryssalid however it's different. It's not a simplification, it's a fact that the transformation is very fast. With Chryssalids we can assume they actually have Elerium-based biological components, Tentaculats can have some sort of Zrbite analogue.

I don't think it's terribly important to the overall story though.

The Gill Men are explained to be genetically related to humans and are also reptilian. They may be a servant race created from human DNA as a baseline but strongly altered to make them useful as aquatic servants. Their seeming to have a history as a distinct people could hint at a much richer backstory.

Weren't they the previous sentient race on Earth, who ruled the planet some millions years ago? Or is it just in my head?

The Deep Ones are probably captured humans which have been altered. It may be a weapon created in haste, without full development into a proper servant race, they may rely on making surgical alterations to each individual instead of growing them all from scratch.

Yes, definitely.

The Mutons' form is a perfect match for a human, and even their internal organs (what few are left) look the same as ours. They may appear genetically distinct from humans so far as to be thought to have originated on another planet, but it is more likely they were built from humans. The armor is implanted surgically and may have been added as an afterthought when the humans started to get frisky. Perhaps the sectoids weren't sure which direction to take the human servant race, and left it flexible and receptive to surgical implants. Had they had more time, they might have better developed the mutons.

Yes, both possibilities exist. I'd just like to notice that Aquatoids themselves are quite human-like, which suggests it's a common body plan in the Galaxy.

The Ethereals bear a form that most closely resembles a human, but it could also be based on the aquatoid form. Its internal organs are largely removed, and all that appears to be left (in the autopsy image) is a large pair of lungs, a likely mechanical heart, and some lower abdominal mass that may serve to store and process nutrient fluids that are fed to them, perhaps intravenously. It could easily be an elongated terratoid with its head mass reduced, with excess brain functions removed. The broad shoulders probably help support the enlarged lungs. I'd think they probably don't need enlarged lungs most of the time, but there might be some reason behind that which I don't know about.

Yes, that's more or less how I understood your idea.

And that leaves us with only one coincidence of similarity, and it's not even that strong of a coincidence. I find that believable. The aquatoids likely evolved from a slightly monkey-like creature that walked upright on the sea floor, gradually transforming from a swimming creature. They probably retain the ability to swim much like we retain the ability to climb trees. Their benthic nature and prehensile hands would prove useful in manipulating their environment in inventive ways, promoting further growth of their social and communication skills, as well as enlargement of their brains.

The Aquatoid's body is completely weird for an aquatic life form, but well, there are weirder. Maybe that big brain is for buoyancy? :)

Perhaps also the aquatoids did not evolve psionic powers naturally. Psionics may have been first discovered as a trait existing in the ancestors of ethereals--the being from which the psionic traits were "borrowed", which would mean that the founders of T'Leth had never seen or heard of psionics. They used their firm grasp of field manipulation technology to form a system of remote control, we know it as Molecular Control and it functions similarly to psionics in outward appearance but is much less energy efficient as well as being functionally very different. It may require the expenditure of zrbite to maintain control, while psionics do not exhaust any non-renewable resources.

Yes, all this seems logical.

I'm enjoying discussing this with you! The more we talk about it, the richer the backstory can become!

Good! :)

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Re: A Realistic Backstory for the Aliens
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2016, 10:38:50 pm »
I don't think we can say that a turn literally takes 10 seconds, much like we can't say that the entire terror mission takes place on 250 square metres. Or that nobody in town has a toilet. These are some simplifications of the battlefield, or a smaller scale.

With the Tentaculat/Chryssalid however it's different. It's not a simplification, it's a fact that the transformation is very fast. With Chryssalids we can assume they actually have Elerium-based biological components, Tentaculats can have some sort of Zrbite analogue.
It seems important because there needs to be a realistic explanation. It does seem possible to do a partial transformation very rapidly (in minutes or less) and a complete transformation in mere days. But maybe it's possible to go even faster. The fact that there are both tentaculats and chryssalids doing the same thing hints at what I see as two possibilities:
1.) it's a high tech trait implanted into them, and they didn't have it naturally
2.) their ancestor species are both from the same planet, which has a huge array of species carrying this same trait, many of which are distant relatives of each other
Or perhaps it's a combination of the two: they selected animals with the greatest capacity to breed this way and furthered their development as a servant race with gene selection from other animals on the planet, gene manufacturing, adaptation by artificial selection, and final surgical alteration to implant them with mechanical parts. It could have been a long and arduous process making them into such a powerful animal.



Weren't they the previous sentient race on Earth, who ruled the planet some millions years ago? Or is it just in my head?
They couldn't have evolved here naturally, for they have no fossil ancestors. Theirs and our body plan is unique to two genuses (homo and australopith) of one family (homonidae). It's highly specific and bears clear origins as an arboreal species. There are no reptilian animals on Earth which grasp and hang from tree limbs with their forearms, and even if there were, they wouldn't be aquatic. Also, any species that was like that wouldn't be labeled as a distant relative of humans any more than we'd say an iquana is a distant relative of humans.

But there is another possibility:
The aliens may have made a servant race out of humans and let them colonize a part of the ocean. There could have been a long-running project in which these people had free reign of a small patch of ocean, and in this area they may have developed advanced societies and governments.

It couldn't have happened without alien intervention. The Gill Men are both too close to us and too far from us to be natural.



Yes, both possibilities exist. I'd just like to notice that Aquatoids themselves are quite human-like, which suggests it's a common body plan in the Galaxy.
It can't be a common body plan in the galaxy. It's not a common body plan on Earth. But maybe it can be common among prehensile tool-users. There's almost certainly several other viable body plans for tool-users, but it may be a fairly short list. Also, it is unlikely that quadrupedal animals are significantly more common than hexapedal animals, and there's probably other numbers of limbs out there. Quadrupedal animals probably make up well under half of the animals out there, and as we see here on earth, the number of limbs won't generally increase or decrease just because a genetic line starts building things. Instead they use the limbs they have and the limbs themselves morph into better shapes for building. Examples: ants, termites, beavers, prairie dogs, moles, bees, wasps, birds, and many others...

Aquatoid-Hominid similarity is still coincidental but I think it's in the realm of reason. There are many examples of convergent evolution, but there are always major differences mixed in with the similarities. Mutons and Gill Men are too similar to be coincidence, but Aquatoids are very different from us, and Ethereals might have been--it's hard to tell because so little remains of their original self.



The Aquatoid's body is completely weird for an aquatic life form, but well, there are weirder. Maybe that big brain is for buoyancy? :)
We're pretty weird for a terrestrial animal. A few animals walk upright for various reasons, we do it for energy efficiency during travel, and it's remarkably effective despite how rare it is for other animals to do it. Kangaroos/wallabies are even more energy efficient in travel, yet their foot/leg plan is also rare. Aquatoids probably don't do it for energy efficiency because they're in the water, but also because they live in water, it would make it very easy for their ancestors to have chosen to walk upright even without having the body plan for it. Land animals sometimes choose to walk upright but it's difficult with so little buoyancy. Benthic critters do all sorts of weird "handstands" though. If Aquatoid ancestral society relied on standing upright a lot, they might have slowly adjusted to a form more fitting for that. Given that they're quadrupedal, it seems reasonable for them to associate standing on two limbs with tool use, so they can free the other two limbs.

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Re: A Realistic Backstory for the Aliens
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2016, 04:47:18 pm »
It seems important because there needs to be a realistic explanation. It does seem possible to do a partial transformation very rapidly (in minutes or less) and a complete transformation in mere days. But maybe it's possible to go even faster. The fact that there are both tentaculats and chryssalids doing the same thing hints at what I see as two possibilities:
1.) it's a high tech trait implanted into them, and they didn't have it naturally
2.) their ancestor species are both from the same planet, which has a huge array of species carrying this same trait, many of which are distant relatives of each other
Or perhaps it's a combination of the two: they selected animals with the greatest capacity to breed this way and furthered their development as a servant race with gene selection from other animals on the planet, gene manufacturing, adaptation by artificial selection, and final surgical alteration to implant them with mechanical parts. It could have been a long and arduous process making them into such a powerful animal.

Yeah, I realize all this... But in a world of mutons and Tentaculats, I am not so sure any more! :)

They couldn't have evolved here naturally, for they have no fossil ancestors. Theirs and our body plan is unique to two genuses (homo and australopith) of one family (homonidae). (...)

And Ethereals. And Sectoids. And Mutons. And Floaters too, probably...

But there is another possibility:
The aliens may have made a servant race out of humans and let them colonize a part of the ocean. There could have been a long-running project in which these people had free reign of a small patch of ocean, and in this area they may have developed advanced societies and governments.

Sure, why not.

It can't be a common body plan in the galaxy. It's not a common body plan on Earth.

It is, for sapients.

If there were no Sectoids and co., I wouldn't say a thing. But clearly, in two out of two sentient species in the galaxy, the same body plan is used!

But maybe it can be common among prehensile tool-users. There's almost certainly several other viable body plans for tool-users, but it may be a fairly short list. Also, it is unlikely that quadrupedal animals are significantly more common than hexapedal animals, and there's probably other numbers of limbs out there. (...)

There are also, for example, trunks (elephants, tapirs) and specialized mouth organs (many invertebrates, but potentially also mammals).

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Re: A Realistic Backstory for the Aliens
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2016, 09:07:31 pm »
It is, for sapients.

If there were no Sectoids and co., I wouldn't say a thing. But clearly, in two out of two sentient species in the galaxy, the same body plan is used!

There are also, for example, trunks (elephants, tapirs) and specialized mouth organs (many invertebrates, but potentially also mammals).
Sapience, sentience, self-awareness, these are pseudoscientific terms invented by awestruck people to explain a distinction between humans and other animals that they don't understand. A distinction which, as science overwhelmingly shows us more and more each decade, doesn't exist. There are thousands of sapient species on this planet, they are often at least as intelligent as we are. There is exactly two traits that set us apart from everyone else on Earth, and neither has anything to do with intelligence, self-awareness, or tool using skill:
1.) attention span - we listen to each other and learn from each other
2.) spoken language - we transmit concrete, objective ideas
I've seen a lot of animals more intelligent than we are, usually individuals as the variance is usually person-to-person more than it is species-to-species.

Sectoids/Aquatoids do have a body that's a bit too similar to humans for comfort, but it is far more different from us than the Mutons or Gill Men or Ethereals. But maybe all of them are based on humans. Maybe the original species is something else entirely, something we have yet to meet face to face. Or maybe we have met two before: The Alien Brain (Cydonia) and The Alien Horror (T'Leth). These might have been, from a baseline perspective, members of the same species, who had altered even their own bodies so drastically as to make themselves virtually unrecognizable from their original form.

I also missed another aspect in my story: according to the Alien Species Wiki, T'Leth crash-landed to Earth during the late Cretaceous period and is the impactor we blame today for the iridium-rich K/T Extinction Boundary ~66 MYA. That pre-dates the Aquatoid society I had written about. Based on my research regarding the many steps of development of technology-developing life, it may suggest they are one of the founder species: the oldest possible civilizations to hit the stars. I presume that we humans are a founder species, thus explaining the Fermi Paradox: the universe is too young. If these aliens hit the stars over 66 million years ago, it means they developed even faster than we did, or perhaps their planet got an earlier start.

I'm gonna go write up an article detailing and condensing my ideas behind the Fermi Paradox explanation and why I think we're a founder species and what that means.

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Re: A Realistic Backstory for the Aliens
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2016, 11:55:18 pm »
I know how smart and adaptable animals are. However, to say there is no mental difference between humans and other animals is both silly and unscientific. Science has yet to prove the existence of abstract thought in animals at a level comparable to humans. In other words, no animal can consistently use and change their environment like we do. No other animal can amass all sorts of knowledge like we do.
No, sentience is as fuzzy as it is real.

Sectoids/Aquatoids do have a body that's a bit too similar to humans for comfort, but it is far more different from us than the Mutons or Gill Men or Ethereals.

Different in what? Genetics, maybe, but that's not on topic. They have analogues of human head, eyes, fingers, knees, brain, stomach, lungs, pretty much everything.

But maybe all of them are based on humans. Maybe the original species is something else entirely, something we have yet to meet face to face. Or maybe we have met two before: The Alien Brain (Cydonia) and The Alien Horror (T'Leth). These might have been, from a baseline perspective, members of the same species, who had altered even their own bodies so drastically as to make themselves virtually unrecognizable from their original form.

Yes, that would be possible too. And Aquatoids would be in fact modified humans, or at least primates?

I also missed another aspect in my story: according to the Alien Species Wiki, T'Leth crash-landed to Earth during the late Cretaceous period and is the impactor we blame today for the iridium-rich K/T Extinction Boundary ~66 MYA. That pre-dates the Aquatoid society I had written about. Based on my research regarding the many steps of development of technology-developing life, it may suggest they are one of the founder species: the oldest possible civilizations to hit the stars. I presume that we humans are a founder species, thus explaining the Fermi Paradox: the universe is too young. If these aliens hit the stars over 66 million years ago, it means they developed even faster than we did, or perhaps their planet got an earlier start.

I'm gonna go write up an article detailing and condensing my ideas behind the Fermi Paradox explanation and why I think we're a founder species and what that means.

OK, I'll refrain from comments for now and wait on the article.

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Re: A Realistic Backstory for the Aliens
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2016, 03:34:37 am »
I know how smart and adaptable animals are. However, to say there is no mental difference between humans and other animals is both silly and unscientific. Science has yet to prove the existence of abstract thought in animals at a level comparable to humans. In other words, no animal can consistently use and change their environment like we do. No other animal can amass all sorts of knowledge like we do.
No, sentience is as fuzzy as it is real.
Science notes that we humans invent tools and techniques and teach our offspring how to reproduce these things, and that no other animals do this. But when we attribute it to our intelligence or sense of self, that's not science. Science has difficulty measuring how other animals think, it has difficulty determining whether or not other animals think in the abstract. The absence of a result isn't a negative result. In this case, it means we need to refine our techniques more than it means anything else.

But we do know that dolphins and chimpanzees are able to visualize objects in their mind. They can understand themselves as a being alongside others--they can understand that other animals are creatures just like them. They can strategize in teamwork and come up with complex solutions to problems their instincts could never have prepared them for. We know this because we have studied dolphins and chimpanzees a lot. There is no reason to believe they are any less intelligent than we are. What we can do that they cannot is not a mental faculty but a social trait.

And they aren't the only animals like that. Orangutans, octopuses, elephants, parakeets, rats, and many other animals have been found to be highly intelligent. Ideas that they run on just instinct are silly things said by people long ago who hadn't properly studied them, and modern science has thoroughly debunked such ideas. These animals think on the fly and have complex personalities. Some of them can even learn verbal languages and communicate concrete concepts with others--if we teach them to. Chimpanzees and orangutans are best at this, both have been taught a small vocabulary in sign language and have shown that they can ask questions and talk about their own feelings.

I think we pat ourselves on the back too much for what the most intelligent humans built before us. Most of us have little to no understanding of how any of our technology works; we simply understand how to use it. A lot of animals can understand how to use a high-tech tool that's built for them. Pretty much every animal we keep as pets does this on a regular basis. But to invent a tool takes a higher level of intellectual capability, and that's not a human trait. That's a minority trait. And other species have that same minority we have. The difference is that we never learn about them because they can't show anyone what they have figured out.

Compare this with science in the Renaissance era. Nearly all scientific breakthroughs were made by rich people. The rich people weren't better at science and they weren't more intelligent, but they were far more capable of telling others about their ideas. They were also far more capable of spending time developing these ideas, whereas the poor folk were busy working all day. You can see how this plays back in human history. A hundred thousand years ago we had a variety of advanced technologies, but new technologies came along very rarely because everyone was too busy perfecting their use of existing technology to ensure their survival. They didn't have the time nor the boredom to invent. I submit to you that our pet dogs and cats and parakeets and rats have more inventive thoughts in their spare time in a day than came out of entire human communities over whole years back before we conquered the world.



Different in what? Genetics, maybe, but that's not on topic. They have analogues of human head, eyes, fingers, knees, brain, stomach, lungs, pretty much everything.

Yes, that would be possible too. And Aquatoids would be in fact modified humans, or at least primates?
Maybe an australopith or ardepith. It could explain their stature and size a bit better.
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Re: A Realistic Backstory for the Aliens
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2016, 10:09:37 am »
Yes, I was trying to express that I fully understand these arguments, but catastrophically faile to do so. My point is: sentient species is what we understand as sentient species. It is irrelevant how it works, how it's different from "non-sentients", and so on. Sentience is a purely functional label that is nonetheless very useful.

So what is the final word? Are Aquatoids of Earth origin?

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Re: A Realistic Backstory for the Aliens
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2016, 10:41:02 am »
Yes, I was trying to express that I fully understand these arguments, but catastrophically faile to do so. My point is: sentient species is what we understand as sentient species. It is irrelevant how it works, how it's different from "non-sentients", and so on. Sentience is a purely functional label that is nonetheless very useful.
I think it fools people into misinterpreting how brains work, and convinces them that people animals are stupid or inferior to us. I think it furthers unnecessary derogatory speciesism.


So what is the final word? Are Aquatoids of Earth origin?
I'd say yes. I'm going to need to re-wite this back story. This one doesn't work. Maybe at some point I'll write a backstory #2, but first I'd like to discuss more of the elements so I can do the best job possible. It's too bad nobody else has responded yet. Only two voices in this chat...well hey at least it's the two brightest! :D


So I like the idea of going with T'Leth arriving as the K/T Extinction boundary impactor. I have two important points to make about this, however:
1.) The K/T Extinction was not dependent solely on the impactor, and may have been more strongly associated with the carbon monoxide that was erupting from the ground. The asteroid may have been coincidence, or perhaps struck when the Earth was weak. Maybe similar size objects have hit us other times and caused a far smaller amount of extinction.
2.) While it is easy to write "their navigation systems failed and they crashed" into a sci-fi book, it's not really a very good explanation in reality. If they were traveling at a significant fraction of the speed of light using high-thrust, high-efficiency, non-space-warping engines, they would take a nearly straight path to the target virtually unaffected by gravity, and they would suddenly "stop" when they enter the system. If they have the faintest glimmer of intelligence, they would slow down in the middle of open space and set themselves on a lower velocity approach vector to the planet, one which would glance past the planet without actually touching it. If they fail to slow down in time either passing the star system or passing the planet, they will simply zoom right past it. If they actually crashed at that speed (which would be stupid) they would be obliterated.

I want to brainstorm some ideas to explain how the arrival of T'Leth matches the K/T Impactor event, but I just don't think it'll be a high-speed crash landing. It could be a low-speed crash landing if they were slowly descending through the atmosphere when their engines failed, but that wouldn't cause dark clouds of debris to cover the whole planet.


Here's some rough brainstormed hypotheses:

* The ship landed without a hitch, and the aliens used dirty technologies which wrecked the environment and killed off many species. This could explain the carbon monoxide and iridium found in the rocks. The lack of artifacts may be because they cleaned up their mess afterward once they realized they were killing the planet.

* The ship's engines fail in orbit but they have to land in order to re-fuel and properly repair, so they jury-rig an engine off their weapon systems using asteroid fuel in order to make a rough landing. The engine causes tremendous damage to the landing site and carves out a huge crater.

* The ship contains a lot of rock (as we've seen in the pictures) and during landing a piece was knocked off and sent hurtling toward the Earth. OOPS. (Alternatively, a meteoroid impact broke off a piece of the city.)

* They're trying to cover their tracks so they use an asteroid to "clean up the mess" where they did something they don't want anyone to know about.


These are bad hypotheses, so I hope you have some more. :P

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Re: A Realistic Backstory for the Aliens
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2016, 02:36:48 pm »
I'm going to need to re-wite this back story. This one doesn't work. Maybe at some point I'll write a backstory #2, but first I'd like to discuss more of the elements so I can do the best job possible. It's too bad nobody else has responded yet. Only two voices in this chat...well hey at least it's the two brightest! :D

Nice reading, I won't add more tho, my imagination is below that of my parakeet pet ;-(

I think we pat ourselves on the back too much for what the most intelligent humans built before us. Most of us have little to no understanding of how any of our technology works; we simply understand how to use it.

Yup, that's me alright. But I am trying...

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Re: A Realistic Backstory for the Aliens
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2016, 08:43:34 pm »
Nice reading, I won't add more tho, my imagination is below that of my parakeet pet ;-(

Yup, that's me alright. But I am trying...
Come on, I'm sure you have some valuable input. Don't forget, we're stupid humans, too! I think you're probably more creative than your parakeet. If you said your pet was a giant pacific octopus then I'd figure your pet was probably more creative than you are, but even then it still depends greatly on the individual. But heck, I'd be interested to hear what a hamster has to say on the subject.