"they control everithing" i mean,they control every power here in the country,they control all the economic and production (all the private industries was EXPROPIATE (understand that like a aggresive take over,without compensations or anything)....all the other venezuelan industries besides oil are in bankrupt.we need to import everything we consumn,thats the main cause of the shortage of products in venezuela(and also the fact we have a "CURRENCY EXCHANGE CONTROL" since 2003)...and the gobv intead of taking more productive solutions...they just blame Colombia...or USA...or Obama...or Bush...or the Fourth Republic... or Panama..or anything instead of just acept their fault and make their best to improve.
This is so funny. You started this conversation by saying this wasn't a matter of left or right, and yet now you are clearly placing your ideological views on the right. Nationalized companies are not a bad thing. They belong not only to the state, but also to the public. This means they will never look after raw profit before the wellfare of people, which doesn't happen in a capitalistic state that privatized most of its assets to private investors who seek their own gain before the service of the people. Private industries in Venezuela were expropriated and rightfully so, because they were in the hands of an elite that controlled the country and didn't allow it to move forward. As a result, social mobility was a lot more restricted to farm workers would could barely afford 3 meals a day. You need to import most of the things you consume because your state is chronically addicted in an oil economy known as dutch syndrome (see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_disease), and this isn't a situation that is easy to get out in only 15 years. It requires the construction of an entire infrastructure that will make production of other things viable. Previously the private sector in Venezuela had no interest in this, because it would take focus out of their oil profits. This is why the current government nationalized oil and other industrial assets in order to get money from it while at the same time revitalizing the other industries and making internal production affordable.
The elections was democratic you say?
so...are you saying that the fact a country has elections...they are a DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY?
look north korea....and if you say that living in north korea its okey and you would preffer living there...rather that in any place of the world...that worry me :T
Are you seriously trying to compare fucking North Korea to Venezuela? North Korea when there are no elections whatsoever and no opposition is allowed, to Venezuela, which was praised by politicians all around the world by having some of the fairest and transparent democratical elections in the previous years? Here, I even have a video for you from an influential british politician who was there during Chavez reelection, and commented quite positively on the issue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V11pJ8b2KQAThis leads to think you even have no idea of the electorate of your own country, and are thinking so selfishly that you can't realize every elected socialist government in Venezuela received full support of the people. If that's not democracy, I don't know what that is.
(and no. I dont want to leave my country..i would never go away, i born here...and i would rather die here that anywhere) just saying...also...yes i know i would trully enjoy some coallition of south americans countrys that make a economic potency in the world (for example the euro (i know they have problems now...but its just a example) but how venezuelan can try to make a coalition and help any other countries if we can even take care of ourselves...and maybe with cooperation with other countrys we could achieve this...but we dont need that...we could be economically okay and help others one in the region
This is what I was talking about before. There is no fucking country in the world that can do "fine by its own". Economies are interchangeable and interdependable. You cannot expect a full change in your economic and social scenario if the world refuses to play with you. This is why Venezuela's position is such a tough one. It's literally the lid stopping the free market from flooding South America again. If you don't of others at the same time you think about yourself, South America will never be free of US influence and will consistently remain shitty, no matter which government is in power. What makes it especially hard for left-wing governments to deal with it, and consequentially for the people itself, is that they have to play against the US.
........and thats the first problem the second most important trouble here...its the security....they killed 2800 by violent crimes in Venezuela in the first two months of this year...the gobv doesnt bait and eye....the students begin to protest and they loose their minds...get out the army and begin to shoot them....if they make this with all the criminals...and the roberies,murders,and kidnaps went down...thrust me we would need protest.
And you need to wreck shit to, which increases violence even more? Because that is why the cops were forced to intervene. I'm not saying the government is totally right the way they're dealing with this, but there's little they can do at this point, with the inflation soaring high, which consequentially makes prices skyrocket and criminality raise. Not because the state is making it, but because foreign econom is not playing on your side.
i study medicine ..my facult held one of the three majors hospitals in the city and i watch no less that 20 persons ingress for gunfire only in one day? they said sometime ago that "we doesnt have enough military power to control the crimes"...what about all the anti-riot tanks (i dont know if you have a specific word for them they are "lightly armored troops transports") all the soldiers they put on the strets only to shoot and fire all the students (more than half of the deads ...die with a bullet of 9mm in the head and geraldine moreno a girl who died was put down on the floor and then point blank shooting her face) men i dont tell you that the things are wrong in the outside world...but ...just HOW you can live in a place when if the criminals doent kill you from a fucking phone (i lost two friends that way) and dont be upset? how you can live where the police are just a joke (here they do something we call "MATRAQUEO"...they ask you a "colaboration" and if you deny they arrest you or worst they shoot and kill you(i can show you all the information i dont have problems) if you say im wrong and im just exagerating the things...i invite you to come venezuela...and live here two months...and then get your own opinion
On this issue, I show you my solidarity and I genuinely feel sorry for you. But then again, like I said, it's never easy when you live in a marginal South American economy. No matter how good the intentions of your sate are, there will always be corruption and incompetence while everyone is only looking after themselves. That explains your government's current innefectuality to raise security levels. On the flipside, the US also have a hand in this, and I will show you in a while...
when the medics was marching asking for better laboral conditions in the hospitals (they dont have medical supplies)
they was giving money for making more "c.d.i." (integral domestic centers) (they have already approve this money in the past...and they never get complete..always all the money "dissapear") and for making houses for CUBAN MEDICS (they give us low quality medics we gave them oil)
Low quality medics?! Are you fucking insane? Cuba has some of the best trained medics IN THE WORLD. You're literally getting top medical support to your population from some of the best physicians available in your area! And this is something so obvious and well known it's even on fucking wikipedia (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Cuba), with Cuba rating as one of the countries with the best life expectancy in the area, and health services that even attract foreign visitors. All of this DESPITE a chronical shortage of medicines that has plagued the country for ages due to the US embargo. I understand your frustration as a medicine student, but in a country where poverty and malnutrition are still an issue, getting support from Cuban medics is probably one of the best things you could be getting at this point.
they come here "study" 3 or 4 years (they are very low qualified,without knowledge and have very low respect for what they are doing)...and them begin to work winning 14k bolivares(our currecy "BS")..when i had to study 6 years and two more for graduate myself and they only pay us 4.2K0 bs (the minimum wage is 3K bs and the basic chart of alimentation rounds about 9k bs...3 MINIMUL WAGES ) but besides our wage...we are protesting for the conditions of the hospitals...and while he was doing that the police beat us,and shoot us riot tear gas and pellets ...how democratic is this country i had to say =)
You seem to be forgetting those same cuban medics will also suffer from the poor work conditions you are suffering. And for the last time, your country is stuck in hard inflation and debt and has no international support. Getting ANYTHING is hard for you, the same way Cubans also have trouble getting medication because of the embargo.
And one more thing, if you still doubt just how influent the US have been on your current state, have some sources. This is how real as it can get. These are raw leaked diplomatic cables intercepted from the US embassy which clearly shows they have been funding the opposition, groups of protesters, and promoting criminality and unrest.
https://www.vice.com/read/does-the-uss-funding-of-the-venezuelan-opposition-matterhttps://www.globalresearch.ca/money-and-intervention-in-venezuela-wikileaks-us-embassy-requests-funding-for-anti-chavez-groups/25444Plunged in a shit economy with no international monetary rescue, pressured by foreign megapotencies into dethroning your own current government, you guys are pretty much screwed up. It's sad but it's a fact. But your government is hardly the last one to blame here, as it literally fighting a larger battle against a much more numerous and more powerful enemy. It has the right intentions though, mark my words.
