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Offline legionof1

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Re: Marsec Bodyguard
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2016, 10:51:59 am »
"IF" the alight is incendiary the effect would be reduced. so 15% of 5-10 or .75-1.5 dmg per turn.

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Re: Marsec Bodyguard
« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2016, 10:57:57 am »
Fair enough. Fatal wounds it was then. I'd hit him with plenty, and panicked him once (this was on my recent nudie run playthrough base defense), but I've panicked/killed/bled out/torched plenty of security and bodyguards. Thus the allegorical story of "what works".

All the hits add up.

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Re: Marsec Bodyguard
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2016, 11:11:20 am »
if it bleeds it dies most certainly. Fatal wounds are actually rather easy to cause since even 1 dmg has a 9.1% percent chance to wound. This climbs to 100 chance at 11 dmg. That is if fatal wound mechanics are unchanged from vanilla.

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Re: Marsec Bodyguard
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2016, 11:18:16 am »
I'm also wondering if what I've seen is morale drop due to hits, not damage. Do hits drop morale of an enemy, regardless of damage?

It's not as though Marsec Bodyguards aren't brave, and maybe it was due to everyone else dying around them.... But would 8 "hits" from a flamer do the same as 8 "actually did damage hits" to their morale, regardless of the flamethrower morale debuff thingo?

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Re: Marsec Bodyguard
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2016, 12:05:31 pm »
From the wiki:

Own unit hurt - no effect on squad morale, unit hurt loses points according to this equation: Morale Loss = INT( (110 - Bravery) * Health Loss / 100)

Panic and berserk begin to occur at less then 50 morale.


So in the case of the Marsec BG the formula looks like this: Morale Loss = INT( (110 - 80) * Health Loss / 100)

So if a Marsec BG takes 10 dmg he loses (110-80)*10/100 or 30*1 or 30.

ally Death follows this formula  ((110-Bravery)/5)

Plug in the values and a marsec BG loses 6 morale per ally.

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Re: Marsec Bodyguard
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2016, 12:35:45 pm »
It's not 30% debuff. It's 30x damage against Morale. Max damage from fire against Bodyguard is 1 point. That's 30 damage against Morale. With 80 Bravery, it's reduced to 9 (+1 for being hurt). With multiple hits you might get them to panic, although they get a good recovery at the start of their turn, so you basically need to get them close to 0.

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Re: Marsec Bodyguard
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2016, 04:29:14 pm »
Hum... (110-80)*10/100 looks a lot more like 30*1/10=3..

Fire does have extra morale damage, but as said above, you'll be lucky to do 1 damage with fire, which means you'd get 0.3 times whatever the bonus is.

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Re: Marsec Bodyguard
« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2016, 09:50:54 pm »
You are correct about the calculations being able to be further simplified but i was sticking to the formula the game uses. The most important factor in morale dmg is how close you are 110 bravery which is morale immune. that's the 110-value portion.

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Re: Marsec Bodyguard
« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2016, 10:42:13 pm »
I am not simplifying the function, I am merely evaluating it properly..
So in the case of the Marsec BG the formula looks like this: Morale Loss = INT( (110 - 80) * Health Loss / 100)

So if a Marsec BG takes 10 dmg he loses (110-80)*10/100 or 30*1 or 30.

The above is wrong. If you have 80 bravery and take 10 damage, you should suffer a morale loss of

(110-80)*10/100 = 30 * 0.1 = 3 morale, not 30 as in the quote. Or if it is indeed 30, then the formula is wrong..

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Re: Marsec Bodyguard
« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2016, 11:17:40 pm »
I think the formula is correct and you'll take 3 Morale damage. It is very rare for the gals to suffer any serious Morale consequences for taking even a grevious wound.

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Re: Marsec Bodyguard
« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2016, 11:45:06 pm »
Ah yep what i get for 3 am math. 3 is correct.