Re: [MAIN] XPiratez - N7 16-Dec-2023 Flying Tiger, Hidden Tentacle

[Cristao]

Awesome mod, but there is two things that annoy me a lot.

1. Last alien problem. Nearly half of mission time is looking for hi. Could it be done that if there is only fraction of enemy remains, and some time passed, they are either surrender or actively move towards your soldiers?

2. Too many weird prerequisites in research tree. It took my over a year of game time to get to workshop - because I had no idea that workshop needs Molotov's cocktail for some reason.

Agree on point no. 2. It took me a while to get workshop. I had to use tech tree to figure it out.

[ivandogovich]

Is there an info about what vehicles fit for underwater missions somewhere? I don't see anything neither on mission page, nor vehicle pages in Bootypedia.

    allowedCraft:
      - STR_AIRBUS
      - STR_AIRCAR
      - STR_SAKURABUS (Purple Turtle)
      - STR_VENTURA (Bonaventura)
      - STR_FORTUNA
      - STR_FUEGO
      - STR_METALLO
      - STR_JETBIKE
      - STR_FIRESTORM (Deliverator)
      - STR_DRAKKAR
      - STR_BRIG (Leviathan)
      - STR_SABRE
      - STR_LIGHTNING (Crab)
      - STR_HYDRA
      - STR_KRAKEN
      - STR_MINING_SHIP
      - STR_TRITON

[DeWolf]

    allowedCraft:
      - STR_AIRBUS
      - STR_AIRCAR
      - STR_SAKURABUS (Purple Turtle)
      - STR_VENTURA
      - STR_FORTUNA
      - STR_FUEGO
      - STR_METALLO
      - STR_JETBIKE
      - STR_FIRESTORM (Deliverator)
      - STR_DRAKKAR
      - STR_BRIG (Leviathan)
      - STR_SABRE
      - STR_LIGHTNING (Crab)
      - STR_HYDRA
      - STR_KRAKEN
      - STR_MINING_SHIP
      - STR_TRITON

For absolute certain the bonaventura but on that topic.
I recall the description for the loader armor for being sea and space worthy only to see my loader peeps in space pods.

[legionof1]

The loader is "space" worthy in the sense that it can do the cydonia mission. First stage of cydonia lacks air but has land/gravity. Orbital missions are micro gravity where you need some manner of thruster to go anywhere. The descriptions could stand some clarification now that we have 3 separate environment lists.

[tylor]

I wish we could train a Shambler to do the tricks. Such as pummelling our enemies. It's a waste to only being able to kill such big fluffy cutie for fur or sell him off.

[Foxhound634]

Is there an info about what vehicles fit for underwater missions somewhere? I don't see anything neither on mission page, nor vehicle pages in Bootypedia.

Maybe the relevant bootypedia entries could have "waterproof" added to the text, and "spaceworthy" for the space ships?

[Solarius Scorch]

I wish we could train a Shambler to do the tricks. Such as pummelling our enemies. It's a waste to only being able to kill such big fluffy cutie for fur or sell him off.

And develop a mutated, green Shambler!

I'd like to see more critters tameable too, but only if they actually give some tactical advantage.

[ivandogovich]

Cross Posting here:

I've created a new reference table for the online bootypedia that shows which vessels can go to which environment:

https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Vessels_(Piratez)#Vessel_Environment_Matrix



(There are a couple other environments in the ruleset (Acid Rain and Nasdac) that don't have vessel restriction so these are not listed.)

[legionof1]

Hmm thuderhorse kinda blows between this info and the recent slot nerf.

Also guess grey codex is even better then I thought given fortuna is larger capacity then most other all enviro craft.

[Ragshak]

Please, add specific info about stats for Shamblers.
If possible update all spiecies descriptions with vision range and NV.
 

[ivandogovich]

Please, add specific info about stats for Shamblers.
If possible update all spiecies descriptions with vision range and NV.

Yeah, so keeping the online Bootypedia up to date is a pretty hefty job as Dracogriffin, myself, and ohartenstein can attest.  I honestly have not done much with it for a few months, and it is definitely getting stale.  At this point there is so much work to be done, I'm honestly fairly daunted and not that motivated. I'd much rather play or watch Poet and Meridian.  So this is sort of an appeal for more folks willing to do some ruleset diving and help keep the 'pedia updated.

For your specific request, Shambler stats:

Spoiler:

    stats:
      tu: 70
      stamina: 100
      health: 200
      bravery: 90
      reactions: 40
      firing: 0
      throwing: 0
      strength: 120
      psiStrength: 30
      psiSkill: 0
    frontArmor: 15
    sideArmor: 15
    rearArmor: 15
    underArmor: 10
    intelligence: 1
    aggression: 3
Standard resistances, except 90% to Piercing and 30% to Concussive.
NV: 20, THV: 50%

[tylor]

Maybe it's possible to automate converting data from in-game pedia entries and stats to wiki?

[ohartenstein23]

Oh it's certainly possible - I've made a few tools to take the data from Piratez and convert it into wiki table format.  That's how the huge task of making the ranged weapons page was tackled instead of just copypasta.  The problem is that it's still a bunch of work to maintain, and now I have to maintain the tools as well

[CaptainCorkscrew]

Are you guys sure you are on the same page? In-game bootypedia vs. wiki (confusingly also named bootypedia).

[ohartenstein23]

Ivan was bringing up Bootypedia Online (the wiki) as a source for supplemental information when the in-game 'pedia doesn't display all the info on a unit/item/armor/whatever.  I think Ragshak was asking for a bit more info to be added to the in-game article for Shambler, but the second part of his request applies to both Dioxine for the in-game articles and us maintaining the wiki - that represents a good deal of work, that isn't easily automated.