Working on an autofire 'kick' stat

[KingMob4313]

Going to be looking into working on the autofire method today to see about creating a 'diminishing returns' recoil mod for autofire, where each shot after the first decreases the accuracy.

After I look at that, I will be looking into making it so that it is a stat you can set in the yaml rul files so that mods can use it.

Anyone else interested in this?

[Solarius Scorch]

I'm using UFO Extender accuracy right now, which makes auto-fire completely useless at any range above almost point-blank. I consider it more interesting than the standard mechanics, but perhaps a less extreme solution would be worth a try.

If you do this, can you please consider taking the weapon's weight and the soldier's Strength stat into account? Both should reduce the recoil effect as they go up.

[KingMob4313]

I was thinking that it would use a weapon weight, kick and strength combination to determine final recoil numbers.  Would be no more than 7-8 % reduction in accuracy per shot for weapons that have wild recoil like a machine pistol, or a full .45 caliber Mac-10 and the like.

[Solarius Scorch]

I was thinking that it would use a weapon weight, kick and strength combination to determine final recoil numbers.  Would be no more than 7-8 % reduction in accuracy per shot for weapons that have wild recoil like a machine pistol, or a full .45 caliber Mac-10 and the like.

You mean per bullet? So a 5-bullet shot from an SMG would have the last bullet at -30% accuracy or so?

[yrizoud]

Not interested, you add a level of complexity for something that the game already takes into account (All  weapons stats give lesser accuracy% for auto shots)
If you want this for realism, note that some games do the opposite for realism : The more successive shots you take at the same opponent, the more likely you are to adjust and hit him.

[KingMob4313]

You mean per bullet? So a 5-bullet shot from an SMG would have the last bullet at -30% accuracy or so?

Per bullet, yes.  But that would be for something wildly inaccurate, like a .45 mac 10 one handed.

For something more full sized, it'd be much less.  Also, that number would be modified by strength.

For something like an LMG, it would be around 1-2 points at most. 0 for the very strong.

[Solarius Scorch]

Not interested, you add a level of complexity for something that the game already takes into account (All  weapons stats give lesser accuracy% for auto shots)

True, but he proposes a mechanics that depends not only by weapon, but also by Strength. This is interesting in itself.

Per bullet, yes.  But that would be for something wildly inaccurate, like a .45 mac 10 one handed.

For something more full sized, it'd be much less.  Also, that number would be modified by strength.

For something like an LMG, it would be around 1-2 points at most. 0 for the very strong.

I think it's pointless to make a mechanics that is largely unnoticeable... Firing SMGs on autofire is surely unreliable.

[KingMob4313]

True, but he proposes a mechanics that depends not only by weapon, but also by Strength. This is interesting in itself.

I think it's pointless to make a mechanics that is largely unnoticeable... Firing SMGs on autofire is surely unreliable.

True enough about the largely unnoticeable.  This will require a ton of testing to get right. At least, much more than the range based accuracy that Seb put into UFOextender as a lark.