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Offline Solarius Scorch

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Re: Stuff I'd love to see in XPiratez!
« Reply #1125 on: March 23, 2025, 04:42:17 pm »
That's funny, my ogre count is always like 10% of what I want. And I don't lose them often.

How you manage this is utterly beyond my comprehension. That's literally 1 ogre per month, tops.

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Re: Stuff I'd love to see in XPiratez!
« Reply #1126 on: March 23, 2025, 05:16:13 pm »
my ogre count is always like 10% of what I want

What you want is for your whole crew to be just ogres, right?

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Re: Stuff I'd love to see in XPiratez!
« Reply #1127 on: March 23, 2025, 05:32:53 pm »
What you want is for your whole crew to be just ogres, right?

More like 25% of it.
And untrained ogres are not great anyway, so only ogres with some history are worth it.

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Re: Stuff I'd love to see in XPiratez!
« Reply #1128 on: March 23, 2025, 06:42:53 pm »
10% of 25% is 2.5%. So out of 80 crew you only have 2 ogres? Did you only play the game for 2 months?

When I say people end up with half their crew being ogres, I mean active crew, the one they take on missions. No one keeps 20 ogres in their bases doing nothing.

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Re: Stuff I'd love to see in XPiratez!
« Reply #1129 on: March 23, 2025, 06:52:45 pm »
I mean, that's just the natural consequence of x-com metagame. No matter how many different types of soldiers a mod has, there are only two actual roles they can fill - chumps drawing reaction fire, and snipers killing stuff. Ogres are the best chumps thanks to their hp/armor/psi stats, so you end up filling half your squad with them. If you nerf ogres, it will be high HP freaks instead.
No matter what you do with balance, there will never be a valid reason to run "a little bit of each". You pick the best chump type, and the best sniper type, and run exclusively those.

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Re: Stuff I'd love to see in XPiratez!
« Reply #1130 on: March 23, 2025, 10:33:58 pm »
it will be high HP freaks instead

That's perfectly fine. You only get freaks in mid-late game, and you can only recruit 3 per month. It takes 12 months just to roll a good one, and even a good rolled one will always have subpar firing/throwing/melee.

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Re: Stuff I'd love to see in XPiratez!
« Reply #1131 on: March 24, 2025, 12:50:11 am »
Ubers are considered "strong", which is why you can't easily recruit them, unless you take the Gals Are Superior path. That's why it doesn't make sense that Ogres, which are even stronger, can be so easily recruited. In other words, I wanna see Ogres nerfed both in their stats, and in how easy it is to obtain them. Pretty much every playthrough I see, people end up with half of their crew being just ogres.

Ogres are stronger but are somewhat slow; in fact they have not much TUs even the trained/experienced ones, so i think it is fine as it is now, considered also their stats cap, i only used ti have a single ogre in my whole crew (!!!)