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Modding => Released Mods => 40k => Topic started by: Gul on July 13, 2018, 05:12:57 pm

Title: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: Gul on July 13, 2018, 05:12:57 pm
First off, this is an incredible mod that I've been playing since May.  So much good about it.  Seriously, it's one of the best user mods for a game I've ever played (and I'm not just talking about xcom).  Massive kudos to you, bulletdesigner.

That doesn't mean the mod is perfect.  I do have some criticisms, and feel there are certain things that could be improved.  But here's things I think worked particulary well:
- Music; the chosen tracks fit the mod.
- Custom graphics; especially how marines look wearing their armor on the inventory screen and seeing their faces on the battlescape.
- The use of OXCE+ features like pilots (the first time I got an intercept message approaching an enemy base, I was... ??? then... :o ... then...  ;D)
- Dropships!  Landspeeders!
- Master Crafted weapons!
- The amount of gear available and how damage types/resistances (or w/e xcom calls it) works; it *really* feels like I have options and choices to make when loading out.  Love it.
- The phrase "zeal and fury"; Dunno if it's canon or your own, but whichever, it'd be great to see that on every briefing screen.

Anyway, while playing, I've been making notes to give some feedback and was waiting until I'd completed the mod and edited my notes into some decent shape before submitting them, but 'stuff' has started happening my end, and seeing as there's this whole new shiny sub-forum and all, I'll post it now or it probably won't happen for quite awhile.

Notes:
   I started playing the 2018_05_18 version, updating with newer versions as released, so it's possible bugs, or w/e, may be fixed/changed.
   I have a few save games if needed, but it'll be next week before I can get them.
   I'm real shakey on 40k lore (last I seriously played 40k was in the '80s), so if any point I raise conflicts with the lore, then obviously the lore wins.
   I'm not running any other mods.
   I haven't completed the mod, so there's stuff I haven't encountered to provide feedback on.
   I'm using the latest version of the truly most-excellent OXCE+
   While no modder, I can edit text files, so some stuff I've tweaked locally for my games (don't think it'll have affected the reasons for any of my bug reports, but...)
   No need to respond individually to all points below unless you really want to (life's way too short).
   It's your mod, ignore/ consider/ implement as you will.

CRASH BUG
Managed to fix this myself, but something you might want to look into, as I don't think it's my own tweaking that would've caused this.
I encountered a crash bug that at the end of Mission 3 (Distress Outpost).  Killing the last enemy gave a segmentation fault error:

[FATAL]   A fatal error has occurred: Segmentation fault. This usually indicates something missing in a mod.
[FATAL]   Unfortunately, no stack trace information is available
[FATAL]   OpenXcom has crashed: Segmentation fault. This usually indicates something missing in a mod.
Extra information has been saved to openxcom.log.
If this error was unexpected, please report it to the developers.

I tried different things to get around it but without luck (using different marines/weapon for the kill shot, stunning instead of killing).  Also, while messing around, the error log changed slightly:

[WARN]   STR_JOANMISSION not found in en-US
[WARN]   No free channels available
[WARN]   No free channels available
[WARN]   No free channels available
[WARN]   No free channels available
[WARN]   No free channels available
[WARN]   No free channels available
[WARN]   No free channels available
[WARN]   No free channels available
[WARN]   No free channels available
[WARN]   No free channels available
[WARN]   No free channels available
[WARN]   No free channels available
[WARN]   No free channels available
[FATAL]   A fatal error has occurred: Segmentation fault. This usually indicates something missing in a mod.
[FATAL]   Unfortunately, no stack trace information is available
[FATAL]   OpenXcom has crashed: Segmentation fault. This usually indicates something missing in a mod.
Extra information has been saved to openxcom.log.
If this error was unexpected, please report it to the developers.

Think I was trying to kill Joan or something to see if that would help end the battle.

Anyway, after fooling around some more, I found the problem was with one of the starting corpses that was on the battlefield (specifically 'STR_TECH_CORPSE').  After I removed that entry from the save file, the battle ended as it should.

POSSIBLE BUGS
These are things that made me 'hmmmmm', especially the first time encountering them, but for all I know they may be what's intended.
  • When research 'Master Crafting' is finished you get some recipes but not for a master crafted laser pistol.
  • No 'pilots' required for 'stormraven'?  That can be good as it can be stationed at a new base, but please see my suggestion below under 'requests' about living quarters.
  • On a soldier's stat screen, used to be able to click/right click on the pic in the top right corner and change it, now I can't.  Wondering what that was for originally, cosmetic only?
  • Using 'chapter banner' gives a morale hit to the using character.
  • The 'chapter banner' sfx overlay each other when it's used (actually, that may be fixed now).
  • Is 'Apothecary Bay' facility working as intended as I can't see it doing anything.  I don't see the number of days a wounded marine takes to recover getting reduced; is a wounded marine meant to be allocated to that facility somehow?  Update: I peeked in a save file and so looks like it's working as it should, but going to leave this entry here because maybe I'm not the only one who doubted it was working ;)
  • The 'Orbital Communications Centre' adds 10 workshop, yet 'Orbital Beacon' and 'Orbital Nova Charge' each require 25 space, meaning a workshop is still required.  (But fuuuuuuck, is that thing fun to use!  Especially for the first time! Before you know the splash radius! FUN! :D )  Little surprised it didn't change any radar ranges/detection tho.
  • On a terror mission, I received a bounty of four adamantium, but it only happened once and I've done several terror missions since.  (btw, I really like seeing an entry like that in the mission report screen.)
  • I've picked up some items 'Power Core', 'Fuel Core', 'CPU Core' that can't be researched, any use?
  • The 'Librarium' base facility adds ten psi training slots.
  • It's possible to research 'Plasma Cannon' after researching Plasma Gun without researching Heavy Plasma.
  • The 'Terminator Assault Armor' doesn't give flight like the 'MK7 Assault Armor'.  Am I reading too much into the 'assault' part of the name?
  • The 'MK7 Chaplain Armor' weapon, 'Crozius Arcanum' can be dropped/unequipped.
  • The 'Master Crafted Heavy Bolter' ammo inventory size is 2x3, normal ammo for that weapon is 2x2.
  • The 'multimelta' weapon and 'multimelta charge' ammo that can be researched and manufactured, only 'ammo rounds: 1'.  It getting mixed up with grenades or something?  Or is it more of a missile launcher style deal?  A little puzzling how the 'meltagun' has ammo clip 10 in comparison.
  • I found some assault cannon ammo in my stores, but I can't find 'assault cannon' to buy/research.
  • Since the update (2018_06_11), are flames (esp from 'flamer' weapon) lasting as long as they did before?  They seem to be going out quicker.  This could totally be my imagination unless others have reported the same.
  • 'Plague havoc' enemy drops 'Blight rocket' but not it's launcher?
  • Should the 'Tigrus' boltpistol also have aimed attack? (it can use standard bolter ammo, I assume that should be it's only perk)
  • On a relic mission4, retrieving the relic piece and aborting the mission shows the mission 'fails'.
  • A 'Slaanesh Devotes' 'Noise Havoc' had a 'Heavy Plasma Charge'in his backpack, even tho his main weapon was a 'Sonic Blaster'.
  • Some enemy naming doesn't match-up.  Example: MCD shows a 'Nurgle Devotes' craft, battlescape mid-click shows 'Chaos Traitor', MCing shows 'Plague Havoc'.  Remember, I don't recall much (any?) 40k lore, so for all I know that's 100% right.
  • Sometimes when using 'tome of speed' (and maybe 'tome of morale') it doesn't work.  Energy is deducted as it should be, but the sfx doesn't play and the target doesn't get any boost.  Doesn't happen often... Hmm. Don't think I've a save game that could demo this either. Oops.

BUGS
Pretty sure these aren't what should happen ;)
  • After stunning 'Traitor Guardsman Sentinel' and 'Traitor Guardsman Turret', didn't get anything special as loot (ie no live guardsman, or a sentinel/turret to sell/research).  Haven't tried many terrorist units like that to see as they can take awhile to stun.
  • The 'Chaos Havoc' monster can't be researched and seems like there's several more, I can get a longer list (next week or so) if it's not a known issue.
  • The 'stormraven' craft refuel rate (sure hoping it's a bug at least ;))
  • Same thing with the 'thunderhawk' craft, takes awhile to fuel up (6 days lol).
  • When under alien control (or w/e it's called), a character will use the 'tome of speed' as an attack on his allies (funny to see, but...).
  • When a female character uses things like 'Tome of Speed', a male sfx plays.
  • When a marine wearing 'MK7 Assault Armor' walks on the roof of the 'Landspeeder' craft, besides the usual correct flying noise, a weird sfx plays, sounds like bullet ricocheting I guess (scared the crap outta me first time I heard it, thought I'd cleared around the speeder and so the active character was taking opportunity fire from something lol).
  • In a base defense missions, the 'Defensive Corridor' facility can sometimes have less than the four 'Tarantula Sentry' units.
  • Using middle mouse button on 'multimelta charge' shows info for 'multi-melta grenade'.
  • MCing a 'Slaanesh Daemonette', you don't see the right hand claw (the attack does work tho, it's just the graphic isn't shown like it is when you mid click on her).
  • At the start of a month, the spawn for a 'Chaos Terminator' 'Mission 4' 'Zone: Pacific' disappeared.  Far as I could track it, the craft landed in the ocean... right at the edge of the radar range it was being tracked.  (Before it vanished, it cycled thru the various geoscape markers which I think was kinda cool to see.)

TYPOS
Don't worry, not listing actual mispellings/grammar mistakes ;) My guess is you're not interested in those (and I'm not good enough to spot them unless real obvious), but here's a few things textual related.
  • Codex entry for 'Power Source' item is x-com default; 'Mind Shield' facility too probably. 'Laboratory' for sure.  'MultiMelta Defenses' too.
  • Codex entry for 'Cultist High Priest' is listed as just 'Cultist'.
  • On a craft's 'equipment' screen, at the top with 'Space Available / Space Used / Space Marines', the 'Space Marines' value is cut off.
  • On a soldier's stat screen the 'missions' value isn't shown ('Kills' are, and the 'missions' value itself is being tracked correctly as I can sort on it).
  • When in places like selling/transferring, the 'Apothecary Armor' isn't prefixed 'MK7' (other armors are, so...).
  • In the descriptions for armors that provide flight, that should be mentioned, along with other perks that armor gives.  It took me a loooong time before I realised the 'Mk7 Assault Armor' could fly and would've affected certain manufacturing/ loadout decisions early game.  Also, things like 'terminator assault armor' should have their abilities explained explicitly (yeah, I was equipping them with powerfists until I went and checked it out ;))
  • Similarly, please mention any extra costs for using a skill/item; ie: the banner takes energy... and I'm always forgetting :'( (note to self: '90')
  • The naming of 'assault bike' for both an armor a HWP has caught me out once or twice.
  • On the battlescape, the eagle that's used to decorate the left hand item can make the ammo counter hard to read for that hand (white text on a yellow background).
  • The order of some equipment is a little off.  For example: 'missile launcher' ammo appears right after 'sniper ammo'; terminator armors appear much lower than the other armors.  I'm not sure about having 'master crafted' items lumped at the start is best, but I guess that's a judgement call.

REQUESTS
A few things to consider adding/changing.
  • More marine names.
  • To have the codex so complete, every mob and item has an entry.  I'm a real bear for that stuff.
  • Entirely my problem, but as the word 'chaos' is used for early enemy naming, I found it hard to keep track of individual strengths/weaknesses for awhile.  Confusing 'Chaos Raptors' and 'Chaos Terminators' usually does not end well for poor, innocent, little rookie space marines :'(
  • I also got confused with the crafts due to the similar names (actually, sometimes still do... but again, my problem).
  • To change the facing of dropship crew so they each face out.  Looks a little weird how they all face in one direction.
  • A landspeeder, singular, ala dropship.  (Landspeeder: Best CRAFT ever!  First time rolling up to a landed enemy ship in this thing was great fun, a real highlight of the mod :D)
  • More 'master crafted' gear.  Be great if most/all gear had a master crafted version. I'd be happy even if the differences over standard marine gear aren't that great... I just like the whole deal with it.
  • As some crafts require pilots now, it slightly complicates the setting up of new interdiction bases (I usually start squirting them out to get world detection coverage asap, with a view to turning them into full bases later, but it means having to place a living quarters earlier than I'd like).  Perhaps new bases could come with a few 'free' living quarters.  Not a whole lot, definetley less than ten, I'm thinking three to five should do it.  That'd be enough for a few fighters or a premier interception craft or two.
  • A simple corridor base facility.  Think 'defense corridor' without tarantulas and much cheaper cost (cheaper than a 'general stores' even).
  • A '1x2' melee weapon that can fit in a belt (combat pocketknife? lol).
  • I really like the different symbols you can use in the marine's names and the way it adds them automatically to the end of the name, but I would like a way to turn that off sometimes.
  • The camera tracking speed of bolter shots is usually great as it makes things like reaction fire appear fast and frantic.  Fun.  But, sometimes I find it moves so fast it's hard to keep track of the shot (did that snap-shot miss? Hit? Hit the ground?).  I've no real suggestion on this point, but am I missing a game option or something I can experiment with by editing files to change this?
  • If a 'chapter banner' is on the ground when the turn ends, all troops should get a small morale penalty (that could grow the more turns it's on the ground).  Don't know if that's possible given the engine, and it's maybe a weird suggestion anyway, but it'd be fitting. Caution: this could end up being exploitable for bravery training.

BALANCE FEEDBACK / REQUESTS
No way can I get deeply into mechanics (I have 'intermediate' xcom skill, not 'expert'), but a few things...
  • A little more utility for the Adepta Sorotitas. Pilots? (tho as imp guards already have that perk, maybe not).  Flight? Going by their codex pic it looks like they're wearing a jump pack... kinda.  Being dropship friendly would make me happy at least.  Also, I renabled their backpack (that was removed 2018_05_31).  I think I understand what you're generally trying to go for with them, but bear in mind they cost more than marines and have a higher monthly salary... having a set of reasonable starting armor only goes so far (seeing it can't be changed).
  • The 'Sniper Rifle' knocks holes in ufos and buildings... that might make it a little toooo good.  If that's changed, what'll the goto item for breaching be?
  • More variance in weapon ranges.  There seems to be a decent amount of choices for upto medium range, but not much (anything?) between medium and sniper rifle.
  • 'Chaos Traitors'...  Holy fuck, they meant to be this tough?  (They were easily MCing decent psiStr troops... it's GREAT!)
  • Are 'Imperial Honor Badges' meant to be so rare?  I've got a few from 'Chaos Base' side missions, but that's all (none from clearing out a cult, raptor, traitor bases).  Update: I cleared out another raptor base and got 22 badges.  That's more like it, finally make that librarian armor lol... was I just unlucky on rng drop rolls?
  • Be nice if later in the game there was a better money maker than the 'Motion Scanner'.  Perhaps there is and I haven't researched it yet.
  • I really like the whole 'Master Crafted' weapon thing, but think the $122k (or w/e it is) payment too much on top of the corpses (it works out about $150k - $600k worth of corpses, depending on weapon).
  • Researched and manufactured an 'MK7 Sargent Armor' and not that impressed with stats compared to the basic 'MK7 Tactical Armor'.  It doesn't need 'honor badges' to manufacturer, so can't be that good, but I expected a little more for 120 adamantium.  Maybe a little extra stamina?
  • I found the 'shotgun' weapon meh, along with it's master crafted version; tips for use?  Ehh, ignore this entry, I forgot it's weight '10', so it has a role.
  • I used the starting imperial guardsmen for a couple of fights and found them useless.  Sacked them and just hired marines instead.  Thinking about it, I never tried them with dreadnaughts or w/e their HWP armor is.  I'd rather just have started the game with marines instead, tho they do make cheap cannon fodder.  update: I see another mod that adds on stuff for guardsmen, maybe that'll fix my 'problem' ;)
  • I'm a little leery of the way armor reduces inventory AND lowers certain stats (especially if that includes 'reactions') and starting to think certain armors aren't worth the badges AND the damage reduction/stat trade-off.
  • The idea of using energy as 'mana' could be a good one, but one I think needs tweaking.  At the battle start it's not that much of an issue, but a few turns in... Please remember it's harder to manage energy points than TUs:
    - There's no buttons on the UI to 'reserve' them (fuck, if there is, PLEASE tell me lol).
    - I can't see how much that character will exactly tick (if there's a screen with that data on PLEASE tell me that too lol).
    - When moving the path doesn't display energy remaining, only TUs (if there's an option for that, guess... Yep! Tell me lol).
    I would suggest changing 'panic' to a low value (10? 15?), 'mind control' lower than it is now, but more than panic (15? 20?) and lowering or removing the cost entirely for the tech marine's armor repair.  I have no comments on 'chapter banner' or tomes, those energy costs seem fine for what they do. I'm also thinking stun costs can stay the same.
Phew, ok, that's it.

Let me know if anything needs clarification (remember, this whole wall-o-text can be ignored too, no harm done) and I can't wait to see what gets added in the future!
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: bulletdesigner on July 13, 2018, 08:21:32 pm
 First of all mega thanks for playing it
 Second zeal and fury is a used expression in Dawn of war 2
 i will try to answer all , hope you don´t take any answer in the wrong way, i love feedback and knowing someone is playing the mod


POSSIBLE BUGS
1 )When research 'Master Crafting' is finished you get some recipes but not for a master crafted laser pistol.
1) A: there is no MC laser pistol i have image but i haven´t done yet , dunno if  worth it

2) No 'pilots' required for 'stormraven'?  That can be good as it can be stationed at a new base, but please see my suggestion below under 'requests' about living quarters.
2) there is no map for it , and i´m currently making it so it will be resolved soon

3)On a soldier's stat screen, used to be able to click/right click on the pic in the top right corner and change it, now I can't.  Wondering what that was for originally, cosmetic only?
3) The flag was comestic now it correspond to the kill´s so higher the count the more "kool flag you receive"

4)Using 'chapter banner' gives a morale hit to the using character.
4) why not , also i cannot control that , if the target becomes the user theres no way around it

5) The 'chapter banner' sfx overlay each other when it's used (actually, that may be fixed now).
5) the overlapse of fire sound i dunno how to  solve

6) Is 'Apothecary Bay' facility working as intended as I can't see it doing anything.  I don't see the number of days a wounded marine takes to recover getting reduced; is a wounded marine meant to be allocated to that facility somehow?  Update: I peeked in a save file and so looks like it's working as it should, but going to leave this entry here because maybe I'm not the only one who doubted it was working ;)
6) improves wound recovery like hospital


7)The 'Orbital Communications Centre' adds 10 workshop, yet 'Orbital Beacon' and 'Orbital Nova Charge' each require 25 space, meaning a workshop is still required.  (But fuuuuuuck, is that thing fun to use!  Especially for the first time! Before you know the splash radius! FUN! :D )  Little surprised it didn't change any radar ranges/detection tho.
7) its to comunicate to orbital ship no to detect but i see whay you mean, the point is to make the Beacon Dificult to get since a OP weapon

8)On a terror mission, I received a bounty of four adamantium, but it only happened once and I've done several terror missions since.  (btw, I really like seeing an entry like that in the mission report screen.)
8)some tile is made of adamantiun :P

9)I've picked up some items 'Power Core', 'Fuel Core', 'CPU Core' that can't be researched, any use?
9)Cosmetic and money

10)The 'Librarium' base facility adds ten psi training slots.
10) yes shine add other 10 so you can only have 20 per base

11)It's possible to research 'Plasma Cannon' after researching Plasma Gun without researching Heavy Plasma.
11)using old vannila tech tree, i can correct it

12)The 'Terminator Assault Armor' doesn't give flight like the 'MK7 Assault Armor'.  Am I reading too much into the 'assault' part of the name?
12) terminator assualt have more TU. Canon is teleport still wainting script for that, i´m thinking of adding some sprint abilitiy or something

13)The 'MK7 Chaplain Armor' weapon, 'Crozius Arcanum' can be dropped/unequipped.
13) on porpuse still only sprecial caracters can use it due being 90 energy or something like that

14)The 'Master Crafted Heavy Bolter' ammo inventory size is 2x3, normal ammo for that weapon is 2x2.
14) true master crafted is on backpack format, the other is small format ( i made into backpack to add use to devastator class

15)The 'multimelta' weapon and 'multimelta charge' ammo that can be researched and manufactured, only 'ammo rounds: 1'.  It getting mixed up with grenades or something?  Or is it more of a missile launcher style deal?  A little puzzling how the 'meltagun' has ammo clip 10 in comparison.
15)vanilla mechanics for blaster launcher and balance issues

16)I found some assault cannon ammo in my stores, but I can't find 'assault cannon' to buy/research.
16) you need chaos assualt cannon resarch (only apears on chaos Lord , chaos undived commander), you got ammo due to tzecnt assault cannon

17)Since the update (2018_06_11), are flames (esp from 'flamer' weapon) lasting as long as they did before?  They seem to be going out quicker.  This could totally be my imagination unless others have reported the same.
17)depends on tile you use, not the weapon ( on snow it wont last like in grass)

18)'Plague havoc' enemy drops 'Blight rocket' but not it's launcher?
18)All shoulder weapons can´t be picked, because there a sprite problem

19)Should the 'Tigrus' boltpistol also have aimed attack? (it can use standard bolter ammo, I assume that should be it's only perk)
19) it´s a rare weapon with some perks (if it haves a scope, it haves aimed , that´s the criteria)

20)On a relic mission4, retrieving the relic piece and aborting the mission shows the mission 'fails'.
20) theres no way i can go around that , engine limitation

21)A 'Slaanesh Devotes' 'Noise Havoc' had a 'Heavy Plasma Charge'in his backpack, even tho his main weapon was a 'Sonic Blaster'.
21)true, Solved

22)Some enemy naming doesn't match-up.  Example: MCD shows a 'Nurgle Devotes' craft, battlescape mid-click shows 'Chaos Traitor', MCing shows 'Plague Havoc'.  Remember, I don't recall much (any?) 40k lore, so for all I know that's 100% right.
22) geoscape is correct, battle incorrect. when you do preview on battle it shows the race name in the unit, not in the race of craft. still i´m correcting those but i may missed some, Nurgle havoc was incorrect. True, solved

23)Sometimes when using 'tome of speed' (and maybe 'tome of morale') it doesn't work.  Energy is deducted as it should be, but the sfx doesn't play and the target doesn't get any boost.  Doesn't happen often... Hmm. Don't think I've a save game that could demo this either. Oops.
23)it´s count as a miss , spell miscasted , it uses bravery to the hit  -->   damageBonus   bravery: 1.0 and  --->accuracyMultiplier: Melee: 0.0 Melee: 0.0

BUGS
1)After stunning 'Traitor Guardsman Sentinel' and 'Traitor Guardsman Turret', didn't get anything special as loot (ie no live guardsman, or a sentinel/turret to sell/research).  Haven't tried many terrorist units like that to see as they can take awhile to stun.
1) it´s the same renegade guy just behind a turret/aparatus

2)The 'Chaos Havoc' monster can't be researched and seems like there's several more, I can get a longer list (next week or so) if it's not a known issue.
2) havoc are just regular chaos marines of the devastator squad, so they are regular traitors only with diferent weapons

3)The 'stormraven' craft refuel rate (sure hoping it's a bug at least ;))
3)the more fuel i give more time to recharge , they all have the same refuel rate (only exeption stormhank at some request for that special role)

4)When under alien control (or w/e it's called), a character will use the 'tome of speed' as an attack on his allies (funny to see, but...).
4) the game view it as a weapon no way around that

5)When a female character uses things like 'Tome of Speed', a male sfx plays.
5) fire sound is by weapon not by soldier, no way around that

6)When a marine wearing 'MK7 Assault Armor' walks on the roof of the 'Landspeeder' craft, besides the usual correct flying noise, a weird sfx plays, sounds like bullet ricocheting I guess (scared the crap outta me first time I heard it, thought I'd cleared around the speeder and so the active character was taking opportunity fire from something lol).
6) bug on my part on tile walking sound, i have to check it

7)In a base defense missions, the 'Defensive Corridor' facility can sometimes have less than the four 'Tarantula Sentry' units.
7)engine limitations, i cant  precise has to be   civiliansByType:  STR_T_BOLTER: 4 # with 2-4 guards

8)Using middle mouse button on 'multimelta charge' shows info for 'multi-melta grenade'.
8)bug , got to check it

9)MCing a 'Slaanesh Daemonette', you don't see the right hand claw (the attack does work tho, it's just the graphic isn't shown like it is when you mid click on her).
9)OCXE+ melee weapons script dont display then in hand on INV , but apears midclick

10)At the start of a month, the spawn for a 'Chaos Terminator' 'Mission 4' 'Zone: Pacific' disappeared. 
10) it will apear every month until you get mission 5, also some missions have limited time then disapear , also can be on retreating, also it have limited to 1 per world i think , so lot´s of variables going on

TYPOS

1) Codex entry for 'Power Source' item is x-com default; 'Mind Shield' facility too probably. 'Laboratory' for sure.  'MultiMelta Defenses' too.
1) true i´m to correct that since relase

2)Codex entry for 'Cultist High Priest' is listed as just 'Cultist'.
2) i will check it

3)On a craft's 'equipment' screen, at the top with 'Space Available / Space Used / Space Marines', the 'Space Marines' value is cut off.
3)got to change the name since now there are senoritas e guard on the mix

4)On a soldier's stat screen the 'missions' value isn't shown ('Kills' are, and the 'missions' value itself is being tracked correctly as I can sort on it).
4)got to check it

5)When in places like selling/transferring, the 'Apothecary Armor' isn't prefixed 'MK7' (other armors are, so...).
5) ok

6)In the descriptions for armors that provide flight, that should be mentioned, along with other perks that armor gives.  It took me a loooong time before I realised the 'Mk7 Assault Armor' could fly and would've affected certain manufacturing/ loadout decisions early game.  Also, things like 'terminator assault armor' should have their abilities explained explicitly (yeah, I was equipping them with powerfists until I went and checked it out ;))
6)  i will see what i can do, but now all MK7 units can  punch , its more a RPG cannonic element

7)Similarly, please mention any extra costs for using a skill/item; ie: the banner takes energy... and I'm always forgetting :'( (note to self: '90')
7) in UFOPEDIA spells its says of cost to use

8)The naming of 'assault bike' for both an armor a HWP has caught me out once or twice.
8)true mistake on my part

9)On the battlescape, the eagle that's used to decorate the left hand item can make the ammo counter hard to read for that hand (white text on a yellow background).
9)Engine limitation, space is limited i made one with more space but it cut´s top

10)The order of some equipment is a little off.  For example: 'missile launcher' ammo appears right after 'sniper ammo'; terminator armors appear much lower than the other armors.  I'm not sure about having 'master crafted' items lumped at the start is best, but I guess that's a judgement call.
10) listorder is always changing due to making new itens , i  do revision from time to time still need some work

REQUESTS
1)More marine names.
1)possible

2)To have the codex so complete, every mob and item has an entry.  I'm a real bear for that stuff.
2) you want more or less?


3)To change the facing of dropship crew so they each face out.  Looks a little weird how they all face in one direction.
3)droppods? ok i will see to it

4)A landspeeder, singular, ala dropship.  (Landspeeder: Best CRAFT ever!  First time rolling up to a landed enemy ship in this thing was great fun, a real highlight of the mod :D)
4)a singular landspeed craft can be made with a diferent role

5)More 'master crafted' gear.  Be great if most/all gear had a master crafted version. I'd be happy even if the differences over standard marine gear aren't that great... I just like the whole deal with it.
5)dunno if i clogue up the mod with too many itens

6)As some crafts require pilots now, it slightly complicates the setting up of new interdiction bases . Perhaps new bases could come with a few 'free' living quarters. 
6)i want to force players to build bases and use tiles, making game harder with more decisions , that the main reason for the 3x3 refinery

7) A simple corridor base facility.  Think 'defense corridor' without tarantulas and much cheaper cost (cheaper than a 'general stores' even).
7) i was planning but no one resquested , i will put in to do list

8)A '1x2' melee weapon that can fit in a belt (combat pocketknife? lol).
8) i will make it , it´s second time  request

9)I really like the different symbols you can use in the marine's names and the way it adds them automatically to the end of the name, but I would like a way to turn that off sometimes.
9) i think you can desible stat string´s on the mod´s menu dunno if i enforced it

10)The camera tracking speed of bolter shots is usually great as it makes things like reaction fire appear fast and frantic.  Fun.  But, sometimes I find it moves so fast it's hard to keep track of the shot (did that snap-shot miss? Hit? Hit the ground?).  I've no real suggestion on this point, but am I missing a game option or something I can experiment with by editing files to change this?
10) no we can´t have both , or it´s fast and have no hit sprite . or it´s a slog with hit sprite, i decided to remove hit sprite on all bolter´s for that effect, you can press middle mouse on unit if it bleed´s it´s a hit

11)If a 'chapter banner' is on the ground when the turn ends, all troops should get a small morale penalty (that could grow the more turns it's on the ground).  Don't know if that's possible given the engine, and it's maybe a weird suggestion anyway, but it'd be fitting. Caution: this could end up being exploitable for bravery training.
11) i´m 0 at script, thats all script i dunno if its even possible


BALANCE FEEDBACK / REQUESTS

1)A little more utility for the Adepta Sorotitas. Pilots? (tho as imp guards already have that perk, maybe not).  Flight? Going by their codex pic it looks like they're wearing a jump pack... kinda.  Being dropship friendly would make me happy at least.  Also, I renabled their backpack (that was removed 2018_05_31).  I think I understand what you're generally trying to go for with them, but bear in mind they cost more than marines and have a higher monthly salary... having a set of reasonable starting armor only goes so far (seeing it can't be changed).
1)true adeptas should be affect by droppod´s but to be honest i dunno the canon on that aspect

2)The 'Sniper Rifle' knocks holes in ufos and buildings... that might make it a little toooo good.  If that's changed, what'll the goto item for breaching be?
2)true, corrected
More variance in weapon ranges.  There seems to be a decent amount of choices for upto medium range, but not much (anything?) between medium and sniper rifle.

3)'Chaos Traitors'...  Holy fuck, they meant to be this tough?  (They were easily MCing decent psiStr troops... it's GREAT!)
3) canon they have the same armos as space marines

4)Are 'Imperial Honor Badges' meant to be so rare?
4)yes, you can have captain armor and sargent terminator several times got to enforce limited use, and yes is random , some bases give 40 others give 0 but 15 is the average

5)Be nice if later in the game there was a better money maker than the 'Motion Scanner'.  Perhaps there is and I haven't researched it yet.
5) all the times i play i get riched, so i want to limited it to have racional decisions

6)I really like the whole 'Master Crafted' weapon thing, but think the $122k (or w/e it is) payment too much on top of the corpses (it works out about $150k - $600k worth of corpses, depending on weapon).
6)again same issue , you can chose money or the weapon ;)

7)Researched and manufactured an 'MK7 Sargent Armor' and not that impressed with stats compared to the basic 'MK7 Tactical Armor'.
7)you got 20 extra health , for no bagdes , again it´s a choice have 2 regular marines or one  with extra health

8)I found the 'shotgun' weapon meh, along with it's master crafted version; tips for use?  Ehh, ignore this entry, I forgot it's weight '10', so it has a role.
8) true

9)I used the starting imperial guardsmen for a couple of fights and found them useless.   update: I see another mod that adds on stuff for guardsmen, maybe that'll fix my 'problem' ;)
9)true

10)I'm a little leery of the way armor reduces inventory AND lowers certain stats (especially if that includes 'reactions') and starting to think certain armors aren't worth the badges AND the damage reduction/stat trade-off.
10) it depends the roles you want, and yes again choices :D

11)The idea of using energy as 'mana' could be a good one, but one I think needs tweaking.  At the battle start it's not that much of an issue, but a few turns in... Please remember it's harder to manage energy points than TUs:
11) spells are OP i got to enforce it´s limited use.
if the unit dont move i wont expend energy, but the trick is  have a apothcary neraby i will give energy like crazy if you want

12)I would suggest changing 'panic' to a low value (10? 15?), 'mind control' lower than it is now, but more than panic (15? 20?) and lowering or removing the cost entirely for the tech marine's armor repair.  I have no comments on 'chapter banner' or tomes, those energy costs seem fine for what they do. I'm also thinking stun costs can stay the same.
12) mind trick´s are the ultimate op weapon , combine with the apothcary and its devastating
the apoth will resolve our energy issue


Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: Gul on July 13, 2018, 10:03:25 pm
You responded to pretty much everything, that definetley cleared thing's up.  Outstanding.

And to clarify:
Quote from: bulletdesigner on July 13, 2018, 08:21:32 pm
Quote
REQUESTS
2)To have the codex so complete, every mob and item has an entry.  I'm a real bear for that stuff.
2) you want more or less?
I meant to have more ;D   I like reading about researched enemies/items, and it can help when equipping too.  It is, obviously, extra work tho  :-\
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: doctor medic on July 16, 2018, 06:18:44 pm
I think the reason why chaos raptors are hard to fight in the start is that you are essentialy dealing with a enemy with more armor than your scout marines and plasma pistols which can outrange bolters and apart from sniper rifles you cant do much,that is if you can find enough marines that have enough strenght to carry snipers in the first place.

Im actualy split if the best option is to rely more on your starting equipment by making them usable earlier or increase the time that the chaos marines appear to give time for the player to reach plasma guns.
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: bulletdesigner on July 19, 2018, 12:19:29 am
it will happen a small rebalance on future, i will take a idea from ohartenstein23 and also have some help with spawn units in vehicles
i´m waiting for him to open the gates from hell with spawn unit script
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: Lord Flasheart on July 31, 2018, 07:58:14 am
Hi bulletdesigner,

I went through the research tree differently this time and when I researched the power armor I could manufacture only 1x Mk7 and then it disappeared from the workshop's list leaving only devastator and assault armor, and I cannot research the terminator armor.
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: ohartenstein23 on July 31, 2018, 02:49:50 pm
Did you accidentally right-click the manufacturing project for the MK7 armor in the manufacturing menu? That will hide the project from the normal list, but there is a drop-down menu there to re-show hidden manufacturing projects.

Can you upload a save where you can't research terminator armor so we can see what's going on?
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: Lord Flasheart on July 31, 2018, 04:40:55 pm
Hi ohartenstein23, I have attached a saved game.
I`m also using the IG mod.
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: ohartenstein23 on July 31, 2018, 05:06:35 pm
It looks like you turned on the IG mod in the middle of a campaign after you had started using space marines and then selected the research that corresponds to playing as the Imperial Guard instead of the space marines.  This is something you should not have done as it breaks your save.  It is intended that selecting the Imperial Guard research will disable certain gear reserved for the Ultramarines while opening up new equipment meant only for the Guard, and so not being able to make MK7 armor is the correct behavior for this mod.  At this point we can't really fix your save game, so if you want to play with the correct balance, you'll need to start over.

Edit: I can see how it is possible to research MK7 armor before selecting one of the two "Operations" research topics at the beginning of the mod and therefore could have gotten into this issue while starting the campaign with the IG mod on; I'll change this such that MK7 armor requires selecting the space marines at the beginning of the game.
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: niculinux on August 21, 2018, 09:43:45 pm
Hey finally i got my (dirty) hands on 40k!

First of all, even if it is 200+ MB download it loads very faster, maybe there are not loads of things like in piratez or maybe depends on sprites palette and/or detail but it's a really lovely thing, tryed on a very old 2009 desktop pc with linux mint 19 XFCE and works rather well in terms of speed

Observations in detail for the 0004 version: 

1) music and sounds effects very cool!

2) Interface also good, the mod used the one of TFTD along some assetes of it the only complaint in the graphic department is the text in research and manufacture screen which i find  not readable! I rather shortsightened tah's also why i play a little :)

3) Bestial difficulty! Hell i lost my valkirie craft in the veri first ground assault, even in x-piratez im able to make some progress! And i tryed in at "emperor" difficulty level" Firing speed is very fast, also even after i decreased it in  the options menu

4) Some weapons like the boltwin goldwyn patter have an ultra short range so it's unusable, but it is intended? Even some weapons once i pint on target have 0% chance to hit indicator but can hit the target although very rarely/with difficulty

5) Ufopedia menu is offset because of its categories there are a bit much but this is already a known problem

in th end very personal sidenote, i never known 40k in  in my life (!!!), so i cannot figure what to add to the mod  make it more focused on 40k i barely know what it is maybe i'll take alook at wikipedia...in the mentaime, how about to distribute along with the mod lates linux executable of openxcomextended+? Non win user have to download from the dedicated thread everytime an update is out, kind frustratin' :(

Some screenshots attached:

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If 40k will get me, maybe i'll give another shot to next versio :)
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: bulletdesigner on August 23, 2018, 02:23:57 pm
hey niculinux thks for playing and feedback,
The size of file is huge solo because the movie cut scenes, so it was lesser resources than piratez.
The bolter difference from boltpistol is the autoshot and a bit less Accurate. All ranged weapons have falloff 5 , so only weapons with scoped have aim shot (negates falloff) and enforces melee combat. Also there are penalty's and buff´s , bolter is two hand , and you can kneel for bonus. Also marines become megabuff so at a point when they use bolter they never miss.
So what i´m trying to say this is a delicate balance to work in all aspect´s
And i correct as i play through emperor difficult (third session for me from start to endgame), i got to play hardest to make it possible to finish in all difficulty's
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: Delkatar on October 08, 2018, 08:35:25 pm
Instead of making a new topic I decided to post here.

Feedback... First - awesome mod! The atmosphere is great.

Now balance issues. It might be just my luck and the fact that my first game I had no idea what to pursue research wise... however, there are a lot of ways for a new player to grind to a halt and if there's any resources online to avoid it, they're kinda hard to find.

First - you'll need at least couple of games to properly explore the tech tree and figure out what works and what you should focus on. That's an issue if you lack a lot of spare time for trial and error.

Second, base defenses and assaults. I hope that the new version improves on them. My first game ended when the second assault I got after more than an year of playing was chock full of Chaos Terminators who basically plastered my defenders. I had gone with tactical strategy and found that in order to reliably kill those I needed range and concentrated firepower. That mission basically ended my first game.

It's notable that during that game I didn't get a single base assault and I was late reseraching side operations so I had only the starting honor badges to play with and ended up using them for appothery armours. That did contribute to the loss. I did have money and other resources for multiple suits of Terminator armour in that game, just not the badges.

In my second game, the new version... Four months in a roll I'm getting my second base, the one in the continental US assaulted like a clockwork. The first three times it was traitor guards and the odd demons with the last, plague marines. That basically wiped out/injured my whole second string team despite replenishing the numbers with rookies. It doesn't help that it's still early enough that the handful of armours I have were with my strike team in Europe running all over the place going after landings and shot down ships. On a more positive note, I did find an enemy base early and got a few honour badges and I did recently research the side operations, though I have no idea how to start the first mission. Will it eventually pop up by itself?

Speaking about base defense... how many plasma defense installantions are needed to shoot down a ship assaulting your base? During the last base defense, I just got my second installation complete, both hit, the enemy ship survived and I had to deal with a lot of plague marines, demons and one terminator. At that rate, I might lose this game too.

I already have three installations building in my new third base, which I'll be using for storage/interceptors. The downside is that I simply that so far I didn't have the time/resources to upgrade my aircraft besides replacing the starting trasnport with landspeeders and they're getting more and more damaged with each encounter so I might have to restart this game too soon. I really hope that I didn't waste a great deal of money and some space in defense installations that simply can't get the job done.

Any tips? Disregarding ground equipment for air game is something I'm reluctant to do after losing the first game to that Terminator rush. That in fact brings me to ask about the various strategies - first time I went with tactical, because it would offer me more flexibility, I assumed. How would you see someone handling base defense when you got a ton of chaos terminators dropped on you? Unless range loves you, even one of those could eat multiple krak missiles, sniper shots, lance strikes, melta shots and a lot of plasma gun fire.

And what do I need to research in order to get Drednoughts or is that what I get from completing the Side Operations?
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: bulletdesigner on October 09, 2018, 12:42:01 pm
hey  Delkatar i will provide many tips, that will help you pass throw at ease:

About base defense
 -if you shoot down scouts, the probability of then finding your base is reduced (but you need transmission decoder to see enemy craft intentions, so capturing a live undivided chaos marines is essential)
 -retaliation occur on consecutive high scores like 2000 (pc won´t go without a fight)
Now there is 2 way´s to fend off retaliations , marines and facilities defenses:
 -never go for both (you need space for one or the other)
 -if you go for tatical marine , theres no unit limit (you can have 60 marines and hwp, so Zapp Brannigan tactics last resort), i always have 4 missile tarantulas in reserve for that situation (they don´t have upkeep like marines, only need storage so dont build facility defenses only storage) also use chock point´s when building base (enemy only spawn on hangar / air lock / and orbital comunications deck) image in attach (put sniper at end of corridor , even terminators can´t resist sniper´s)
-if you go defenses facilities it´s much harder without bombardment shield , but you need at least 10 defenses and luck:
  chaos flying fortress has 7000 hp
  missile defenses do 1000 but has 50% change of hit
  so you need 20 just to be safe,
  mind there are much better defenses end game

Also have arrange or base layout mod xcomutil to create chock points on base from beginning

- Dreadnought come at mid-tier , side operations completion only unlocks venerable armor for dreadnought
, and they are a way to give a second change to fallen heroes than use it as a front line unit ;)


 
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: Delkatar on October 09, 2018, 03:23:25 pm
So basically five or six plasma defenses to be reasonably sure - those were the only ones I built. As I mentioned above, two hitting a target had no effect. My third base already have three building along with the cloak device and considering it has a lot of free space currently I should add three or four more and simply scrap the defenses in the other bases and rely on marines, the defense corridors that should be completed over the next month and whatever armoured units I have money for. Thats a few millions I wasted on a handful of defense installations in my first two bases then. :(

I haven't really used the tarantulla turrets yet because of the lack of mobility. My experience with the Sentinel and Assault Bike - big soft target that die two turns after leaving the transport and thus waste of money really.

I've had the transmission decoder available for a few months, however I have been going for better weapons and base defenses.

Speaking about scouts, once the enemy has located a base once it knows where it is and killing scouts in its general area doesn't prevent it from being hit again or am I mistaken?

As far as my bases are concerned, all are built with a single choke-point between the hangars and the base proper - a normal corridor after the lift until I have the defense one researched and replace it with it. I'm currently researching techs that would hopefully give me better fighter craft because in the last few months most small enemy ships are more than capable of melting my interceptors.
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: bulletdesigner on October 09, 2018, 04:54:09 pm
sentinel and assault bikes die easy against lasgun´s (low tier enemy's) , so they are good against all other (only exceptions chaos havoc with big lasgun) since they take less damage from plasma (all vehicles)

once your base is detected, i will face the music, no way around that (that flag will disappear after they land)

IMO base defense mission are the easiest in the game since you have no unit limit, facing a terminator/undivided chaos base is a true nightmare compared

also don´t wast many badge on apoth, servitores can heal and repair without wasting badge, i only have 1 apoth per company
taking down craft´s is optional (scorewise) but combine interceptions and use craft addons in order to get an edge
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: Delkatar on October 09, 2018, 05:30:47 pm
Yeah, I'm building only one appothecary armour per base. Servitors can heal? I haven't really used them as my experience with vehicle hadn't been good so far. Considering that lately most opposition is chaos space marines, I might invest in some sentinels. I do have a cadre of guardsmen I've been training for pilots and to flesh up the ranks while my marines heal after getting shot up.

Edit: Speaking about terminators - how do you defend against a base assault chock full of them? In the previous build, the defense corridor lasted two turns and that was mostly because it took that long for more than to of the terminators to get in. After that they simply rushed in and I managed to kill two, perhaps three after a lot of reloading and in the process lost more than half of the deployed marines. Mind you, in for that defense I did load an earlier save and re-deployed everyone I had in the assaulted base but it didn't help. That's why I went with devastator strategy this time. In the previous game I went with tactical and had only six people with missile launchers/lance cannons across my bases. The rest had meltas, plasma and snipers with most of them having the standard space marine armour. Needless to say, it was a slaughter once the terminators closed in.

Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: ohartenstein23 on October 09, 2018, 05:33:52 pm
Most of the time the anti-air defense structures are useless, as you need to do the full HP in damage to prevent a landing, otherwise they do nothing.  I would also not put defenses and the cloaking device in the same base, as they are opposing defense strategies and use a lot of space combined - in general 2 cloaking devices are enough to prevent getting scouted most of the time, and base defenses take too much space until you have the highest tier plus the building that allows them to fire twice.

I would also advise against making a choke point too small, because that means it's a choke point for you when you need to finish clearing out the hangars, and having a second choke point means you can flank the enemy.  As for defeating chaos terminators, you need to pull out some big guns or reduce their armor in some way.  Krakk missiles are a good way to simply overpower that armor, and you can buy them from the beginning of the game.  If you're not using the weapon rebalance mod, then repeated sniper rifle strikes can also do it.  Standard bolter ammo damages armor, so focus-firing on the same target in the same spot repeatedly will make them vunerable to follow-up.  Early on, I like using the heavy bolter to do this, as the large magazine size and many autoshots mean that armor goes down quick.  Later, try meltas to reduce that armor even faster or graviton guns to simply ignore it.

Defense corridors with the turrets will help immensely with this, as the large armor values plus bolter ammo means you can reduce a termie's armor without putting one of your marines in danger.

Finally, don't forget that most melee weapons bigger than the knife damage armor and can get in more hits per turn than most ranged weapons.
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: Delkatar on October 09, 2018, 06:16:54 pm
I hope that the defense corridor will be more useful in the new version. In that mission the turrets got one-shotted all and despite focusing fire on a single terminator didn't seem to phase him.

I do know that melee weapons should work... However coming anywhere close to a group of six or seven terminators with the armour I had was suicide - couple of turns after they got to the fefense corridor and approached my people I managed to down a few of them and on the next turn I got multiple people one-shotted. It went downhill from there and more terminators and demons were coming behind that first wave.

Krak missiles, snipers, they work, sometimes. Others - I've had my whole squad focusing on a terminator and melting him in a few shots or the bloody thing could take everything I dished out for multiple turns. Not a good thing when there are a lot of them rushing in. As I mentioned multiple times, that's why I went for devastator strategy this time and focused on soldier weapons and base defenses. I could have gotten a terminator armour too but chose to build standard armours for everyone first.
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: ohartenstein23 on October 09, 2018, 06:36:40 pm
Well yes, you shouldn't rush in to melee when there are 6 or 7 terminators, this is why I suggested not having a single-base-tile choke point as that often means needing to face multiple enemies at once instead of them being spread out enough to take on one at a time.
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: Delkatar on October 10, 2018, 03:21:24 pm
Of course not. That's practically suicide even if there's one of them who isn't panicked. Ideally I want to keep them at range. That really wasn't an option in the base defense if I wanted to actually kill them.

EDIT: A bit more feedback. After two easy large lander missions - traitor guard, I basically ignored everything in the air and there were no more landings that moths. The consequence was that two sectors defected and immediately a chaos base got revealed - plague marines with a few demons and terminators in the mix. For some reason I couldn't get support servitors loaded on Landspeeder, though they have no issue deploying with dropods it seemed. This time I did get 17 honour badges for clearing up the mission and a lot of money selling chaos sacrifices for a relatively light price - three dead people, one rookie Sister of Battle, a guard sergeant and a marine one. I just got my first hulk mission shortly after that but unfortunately could't get to it with enough people to beat it - it was just out of landspeeder range from my second base and most people in the first got wounded after the base assault. From what little I saw from the Orks it's a neat job and I can't wait to encounter them again, hopefully successfully this time.

One thing of note from the two plaughtroughs - I never detected a single chaos base in the first one for more than an year of in game time and in that game I was doing significantly more missions, often using droppods to evade enemy aircraft. What I note is that you play well enough not to lose sectors to chaos and thus have a chance for more enemy bases to spawn and thus liberate the places and if the side operation missions don't spawn, a player might face a shortage of honour badges that can lead to some issues with advanced equipment - either get a few nice terminator armours, upgrade fighter craft or build advanced equipment.

In contrast, by letting the enemy basically do what they want for about a month and losing couple of sectors, I'm right now ahead of the curve and got enough money to build a fourth base, outfit it with adamantium forge and basically turn built up my third one and by the end of the month it will be a nice cloaked and defended manufacturing hub that should basically solve any money issues I might have for the rest of the game.

Is it just me or isn't it counterintuitive that a great way to get ahead if you can handle assaulting the enemy bases would be to basically intentionally let sectors fall to chaos so you can then liberate them?
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: ohartenstein23 on October 15, 2018, 10:32:14 pm
Not being able to load support servitors comes from the fact that they are classified as "auxiliary units," the same classification as for HWPs from the original game.  This means that in order to have a support servitor, the craft also needs to have room to allow a large 2x2 unit.  The droppods have space for one in their deployment, but not the landspeeder.

The difference between your playthroughs wasn't due to you being more or less active, it was pure RNG.  This mod doesn't have the code turned on that interrupts enemy 'missions' by either assaulting landed craft or shooting them down, so the most you can do is slow down missions by shooting down craft.  It sounds like your first playthrough was just lucky/unlucky in that you didn't get many missions that create bases, while your second one started with the corruption missions early.  "Playing well enough to not lose sectors" does not happen unless you beat the game before a corruption mission starts.
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: Delkatar on October 18, 2018, 05:54:24 pm
Good to know. Is it just me or did the new version nerf certain heavy weapons - sniper rifle and lance cannon are prime contenders. I played a few missions last night and the TU cost for snap shot seem increased so you can use it only once per turn so it's either one aimed shot if you have the TUs or a single snap one. I remember previously I was able to use two snap shots with sniper or about three or even four with lance cannon which was very useful in a lot of circumstances, especially against tough foes where volume of fire was better than a handful of very accurate shots that might not go through the armour anyway.

I got my first mission with Eldar last night too and they seem to fit - very dangerous glass cannons. Their shuriken weapons are deceptively dangerous. While the outright damage they cause isn't much, the amount of wounds that need healing ASAP is comparable to what Plague Bolters do. Facing such foes is one of the few reasons to bring more than one Appotecary/support servitor per mission - a single one of them simply can't keep up with healing ,especially if the fight gets protracted.

I got the first part of a space hulk mission finally complete before going to bed and it was neat. The Orks seem to fit - tough, have poor long range accuracity and I presume that they're very dangerous in close quarters, though fortunately I managed to panic those few who closed the range with incendiary ammo. The Nobs are nicely tough and took a lot of shots and power fist strikes to bring down. Facing a proper Boss is going to be interesting.

More feedback to follow after the next gaming session.
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: ohartenstein23 on October 18, 2018, 06:04:04 pm
The sniper rifle did not change, it still can do two snap shots per turn.  The laser cannon got a significant damage buff and better performance versus armor as part of some changes to laser weapons in general, but as a result got reduced to only a single snap shot per turn.
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: Anon011 on December 19, 2018, 01:03:23 pm
After playing version 14 for some time now (8th month in game as IG, 7th as SM both on "Force commander" difficulty) i decided to throw in my 2 cents to the feedback.

The Good:
-Space Hulk mission is on point, great mission really, adds tension, 'nids go down exactly as they are supposed to. Nothing as satisfying as burning trough hulk with flamers
-IG got balanced really well from my last play trough, difficulty spike is much more bearable and now IG stands a chance against the horrors of the warp
-There is lots of other great things already mentioned itt. about the game, sprites, music, atmosphere etc... I'll just say that if i had to rate this mod i'd give it 8/10.

But now onto
The Bad:
- Chaos space marines are tough nuts to crack, and i get it but its fine but Chaos Terminators can get 4 shoots from heavy plasma point black to their back and shrug it off like nothing. I think that Chaos space marines armor values need some balancing.
- Morale, I found my Space Marines causing panic among the Chaos Raptors and Chaos Terminators making them drop their weapons and run aimlessly. Im sure that my guys might be scary but to cause a panic among Chaos Space Marine elites? Kinda dubious to be honest. (of course i mean last 2 or 3 guys that usually panic when they are last chaos marines standing)
- Anti armor weapons lack the "anti armor" punch, heavy plasma gets shrugged off by chaos terminators, let alone normal plasma rifles. Heavy bolters are just weak all around. On the other hand Sniper rifle and Lascannon are the king for the most of the game. There is no point in using any heavy weapons but the Lascannon as heavy bolter is too weak to cause any substantial damage to enemies and 5 shoot burst isnt that strong either.
- Tech tree seems kind bloated, for first time players that dont know what research leads to what it can be confusing
- Attacking and successfully destroying enemy base doesn't seem to yeld any Honor Badges in loot? Maybe i missed something.
- 'Nids can both shoot and melee, this leads to some wonkynes in AI in my opinion. Example, one tyranid was standing 5 tiles away from my space marine, he had another one in sight that was 15 tiles away, he decided to shoot the guy that was further away and hide from the guy that was closer instead of just clawing the closer guy to death, maybe split nids into melee only and primarily ranged?
- I found Craft Plasma to be kind of weak compared to Craft Lascannon, what is a next step on a tech tree feels more like addition, 5 shoots only? Not that great, sometimes i found my planes missing all 5 shoots from both guns without hitting the enemy craft.
- Some options are unexplained, what does "Vox" special action for IG do? Why some space marines glow red during battle (i know that red glow is meant to mark guardsmen who did friendly fire?).
- For IG, both stormtroopers acquisition and veteran guardsmen acquisition cost honor badges, whats the point of veterans then? If the cost is the same as with stormtroopers why would anyone chose them instead of stormtroopers? Maybe im missing something here.
- Grav Canon got only one shot before need to reload? And that one shot doesnt seem to be worth it since it doesnt do great damage and isnt that accurate either. Pair it with need to manually manofacture ammunition for grav and you got yourself lots of micromenagement.
- SM got no "special action" box on the upper right of the screen like IG has. Not that this is bad, just a misc observation.
- I dont know if this is my fault or what but "special" missions are pretty rare, for 8 in game months for IG i got not even one special mission besides monthly city attacks and one or two attacks on my base and one enemy base, but riot suppression and training spawned at appropriate rate. For Space Marines i only got Hulk mission once.

The Ugly:

I didnt had any idea what to put here so here are my random ideas 
- Next tier of Airgame, Vendetta gunship as it is the most costly IG gunship in tabletop, mounting 6 lascannons.
- Psykers for IG
- Sentinel armor with heavy flamers
- Maybe stormboyz or burna boyz for Orkz?
- I know that this one is kinda crazy but how about Rough Riders for IG?


Btw i hope im not too harsh or whiny, its a great mod and i'd love to see it grow even more. Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: ohartenstein23 on December 19, 2018, 05:23:32 pm
Glad you're enjoying the mod Anon011! I can speak at least to some of the IG stuff, the marines' gear is more bulletdesigner's realm.
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: bulletdesigner on December 19, 2018, 07:25:20 pm
hey man thks for playing, be advised must of the balance issue are resolved when played by someone.
  About craft weapons, was talk a time ago, but i will give you the stat´s

STR_STINGRAY               #R 40       A 6        D 60     Acc 65
STR_AVALANCHE              #R 50       A 3        D100     Acc 75
STR_CANNON_UC              #R 30       A 100      D10      Acc 40
STR_FUSION_BALL_UC         #R 10       A 2        D230     Acc 90
STR_LASER_CANNON_UC        #R 30      A 10        D70      Acc  45
STR_PLASMA_BEAM_UC         #R 40      A 5         D120     Acc 30
STR_THUNDER_CANNON_UC      #R 40      A 2         D300     Acc 30
STR_ASSCANNON_UC           #R 30      A 50        D20      Acc 40

notice the more power the less ammo,  so this will combine with the modification you choose for your craft´s ,
To take Down bigger "UFO" you need more ammo and more hit´s
ex cannon can deal 100x10 =1000 damage and laser only  10x70 =700
You can decide your strategy on accord to witch ufo you will take down

About chaos Marines panicking, i see your point i agree ,but i prefer to keep morale for all unit as a constant ingame (with one exception, rubric marines don´t panic)

Also Grav gun Ignore 100% Armor
    power: 40
RandomType: 2 #TFTD [50% - 150%]
So if it hit will always average 40 health, 50 health is the average for high tier units
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: Anon011 on January 04, 2019, 10:17:10 am
Thanks for the replies guys.

Quote from: ohartenstein23 on December 19, 2018, 05:23:32 pm
If you come up with some fitting sprites for the Rough Riders, they will be all the more likely to be included in the mod.
I wish i could but i got no skillz in pixelart/sprites/anything-requiring-any-kind-of-artistic-skill  ;)
Quote from: ohartenstein23 on December 19, 2018, 05:23:32 pm
Grav guns ignore all armor
I didnt know that, but thats pretty interesting, their one shot nature is still kind of tedious since there is a need to manually reload after each shoot but i guess i accept it as a balance thing.
Quote from: ohartenstein23 on December 19, 2018, 05:23:32 pm
We can't do much about the AI, you'll have to accept that it's somewhat quirky, and genestealers without a melee option just doesn't make sense.
Agreed, but i was more thinking about filling map with more melee only 'nids. In the end it could make AI act little bit more logical, but i guess  how it is now works well enough, as they say if something isnt broken dont fix it  :D
Quote from: ohartenstein23 on December 19, 2018, 05:23:32 pm
I'm working on more IG special missions, you're seeing only the bare bones of the content on want to add there.
Awesome! Speaking of IG content tho, i just got this idea, since we already have different pattern bolters for SM, how about rare different pattern hellguns/hotshot? They could serve as high tier IG weapons, but they would have to be rare and fit into specialization to fit the weapons progression. For snipers for eg. LongLas -> Cadian-pattern Hotshot (scoped), Heavy Stubber -> Hotshot Volley (i know its already in the game).

Also thanks for clearing some things up Bulletdesigner, i kinda understand design decision here.
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: EuchreJack on January 04, 2019, 09:28:19 pm
I'm not sure if this works in the base game, but I found that if one of your marines that normally would suffer a TU penalty for wielding a Missile Launcher instead drops it at the end of their turn, then picks it up at the beginning of their turn, they have enough TU to fire an aimed shot.  Not sure how much this works with other weapons (sniper rifles need most of the TU to fire aimed, so picking it up might take up too many).
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: ohartenstein23 on January 04, 2019, 10:03:23 pm
This has always been a way to deal with using weapons that are too heavy for your soldiers, even in the original X-Com. In fact, this is the way I encourage using heavy weapons when playing as the Imperial Guard, since most larger weapons are too heavy for Guardsmen.

However, we're planning on testing a change to how this logic works by swapping the TU penalty for an energy penalty using scripts, letting you use those big heavy weapons while retaining the movement penalty.
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: EuchreJack on January 07, 2019, 12:07:55 am
Wow, I'm looking forward to that!  Should make the Guard more playable and slightly more mobile (when a weapon is dropped, I can't remember where I dropped it, so I usually camp the same spot turn after turn).  Even Space Marines in non-devastator companies would benefit  (green scouts can't use missile launchers without penalty, for the most part).
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: zharmad on April 16, 2019, 03:55:55 am
 Hey bulletdesigner and ohartenstein23,  thanks for maintaining and building on this mod! I've been enjoying much of the lore and detail put into it. There's also quite a bit of surprise challenges here and there.

I have a few questions, bug reports, and feedback to post. Spoilered since a couple concern some later content:
  • I've met my first ork wagon just now, It was cool to see so many boyz piled into the little clown car - but are the turrets supposed to have reactions of 127? It was a nasty surprise to see its battle cannon(?) - STR_ORK_TURRET - one-shot a couple of my flying assault marines From 50 tiles away. The secondary turret with some kind of storm bolter also had a lot of reactions.
     Well, mostly a surprise since the turrets on the IG Chimeras had 1 reaction. Although I did check my Stormravens afterwards, whose turrets have 120 reactions.
  • I also unlocked melta grenades as part of Tactical Strategy. Is it intended that they have no armour damage/penetration?
    I was envisioning a upgraded Krak grenade with something more like radius:2, damage 150, 40% armor damage, 50 damage decay per tile. Asking this because I did throw all 8 melta grenades at said clown car. They did next to no damage to the battle cannon turret since it had 150 under armor.
  • I managed to unlock quad-linked autocannons and quad-linked lascannons as Space Marines. The Codex entry said that the quad-linked weapons are only for ground vehicles - the Marines don't have any that I can see?
  • I also researched twin-linked plasma later on and didn't expect that my flying craft could equip it as the code entry shows a vehicle. I did make one and found that my birds can equip it.
  • Right-clicking on workshops takes you to the manufacturing screen. Right-clicking on Adamantium forges takes you to the storage screen.
  • What kind of weapons are the Slaanesh Daemonette's using? They one-shotted a terminator which their "claw", upon which I head-canoned it immediately as "pressed their tits to his face and he instantly turned to the dark side."

Cheers.
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: bulletdesigner on April 16, 2019, 02:55:38 pm
hey zharmad, glad you are enjoying the mod  8)

short answers
1- balance, they are immobile, so it´s kind of easy to get around immobilize target´s ( they only got 1 turn to act the rest player can go around)
2- Again since they are immobile we can´t have grenade exploit so under armor got to go up! when melta were made there plan was to be just a better grenade, so i guess it can be revised
3- Guard legacy, no marines don´t have, but we leave there maybe some day may will.
4- twin-linked weapons are standard craft weapons. both vehicles can equip
5- Adamantium forges have storage space guess that overrides manufacture
6- it´s unblockable since it´s "corruption" no armor can save you from tempting word´s (imagine what that girl whispering to his ear), they are ussless if you have assault armor/ also chaplain is immune to conversion but can die
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: ohartenstein23 on April 16, 2019, 04:13:01 pm
To add to that, I think we can change what right-clicking on the forges does in ruleset.

The daemonette uses the same mechanics as chryssalids.
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: zharmad on April 19, 2019, 01:28:16 am
There's a bug introduced when upgrading from 018 to 019. The introduced STR_CHAPTER_PURITY isn't enabled by default. Since I have already researched adamantium components, I lost the abilty to produce Tactical and Terminator Armor.

...which string should I add to the save file to manually fix this?
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: ohartenstein23 on April 19, 2019, 05:30:14 am
You can add STR_CHAPTER_PURITY to the list of discovered research, but first check if you can research it. It should finish with 0 adepts on the project.
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: zharmad on April 19, 2019, 05:22:04 pm
No I can't research it. Taking Tactical Strategy does not unlock the research opion, it seems.
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: ohartenstein23 on April 19, 2019, 09:58:11 pm
Yep, known bug that we're going to fix. Either add the STR to your discovered projects, or send me your save and I can fix it.
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: zharmad on April 20, 2019, 11:48:13 am
Added to discovered projects no, thanks.
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: zharmad on April 27, 2019, 05:57:55 pm
Slowly chugging through the campaign, finally meeting a Khorne scout ship.  I'm appreciating some of the balance decisions between the various crafts and the various weapons. Some values I would personally tweak, but there are still use cases for items like a good old Heavy Bolter throughout the campaign. Here's a bit of running thoughts:

Thanks.
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: bulletdesigner on April 29, 2019, 03:25:18 pm
Hey Zarmad

1- Y we are reworking weapons. Lascannon are OP so we are limiting there use next version.
2- Flames are still good vs Small Fry and good use for inaccurate soldiers
3- Again Lascannon are gonna be nerfed so other options are viable
4- Assault marine carrying a heavy plasma is rare by 2 reason´s  (no engouth strength to carry it or low acc) so it can happen but you are using your best solider´s
5- Legacy system form old xcom they are overtank missile launcher are supposed to be one of best weapons in game till Lascannon OP on later versions
6- Preparations rites (oarth good theory) but that way our bird never get´s out of fuel, i don´t think It takes 3 days to top up a thunderhawk gunship after a trip around the world, gotta confirm
7- i Don´t think there is a repair bay option like in apocalypse in script yet
Title: Re: Some misc 40k mod feedback
Post by: ohartenstein23 on April 29, 2019, 11:05:33 pm
I'll throw in my bit here on a few things: