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Modding => Released Mods => XPiratez => Topic started by: Dioxine on August 19, 2016, 12:15:52 pm

Title: Animu s***t
Post by: Dioxine on August 19, 2016, 12:15:52 pm
I'm not a big animu fan myself (though I don't hate it), I prefer old sci-fi movies, but
1. it's a good source of resources
2. it's another thing that can be smeared, dirtied and assimilated!
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Post by: Surrealistik on August 19, 2016, 08:36:51 pm
I don't inherently hate the stuff, and there's some legitimately good ones out there (Akira immediately comes to mind), but the vast majority that I've been exposed to are hamfisted trope parades of cliched schlock and twists that are either predictable, insanely implausible, or straight up lazy writing (Season 1 end of Code Geass which was thrust upon me by a couple of friends at the time), such that it makes me reflexively cringe.

Also using animu images is one thing; employing shitty animu tropes is obviously entirely another. I suppose if it takes on a satirical bent as most things do in PirateZ though, it's not so bad.
Title: Re: Animu s***t
Post by: Dioxine on August 19, 2016, 11:10:45 pm
Code Geass? I knew I won't like it even before watching a single episode :) People who enthusiastically peddled it to me only reinforced that conviction.
Title: Re: Animu s***t
Post by: Solarius Scorch on August 19, 2016, 11:11:48 pm
Well, obviously the best animu is Azumanga Daioh. :P
Title: Re: Animu s***t
Post by: Surrealistik on August 19, 2016, 11:32:28 pm
Can't stand 'slice of life' animus; too diabeetus inducing for me. Possibly more that the genre doesn't agree with me than it being actual shit.

As for Code Geass I didn't really like it, but I kept being poked and goaded to do so (with nebulous SG like promises of 'it gets better') until the Season 1 end whereupon no amount was going to get me to continue watching that horrible show.

Title: Re: Animu s***t
Post by: Star_Treasure on August 20, 2016, 12:04:34 am
Whoever told you that is a liar. The show's only saving grace is in it's train-wreck value. It gets WORSE. The only reason you might want to watch it is out of morbid curiosity.
Title: Re: Animu s***t
Post by: Surrealistik on August 20, 2016, 12:32:41 am
Whoever told you that is a liar. The show's only saving grace is in it's train-wreck value. It gets WORSE. The only reason you might want to watch it is out of morbid curiosity.

The sad thing is that they were entirely genuine about their love of it. That said, they had least had the decency to admit that the S1 ending was a complete and total 'writer backed into a corner' cop-out.
Title: Re: Animu s***t
Post by: Solarius Scorch on August 20, 2016, 01:21:25 am
Well, the To Aru no Majutsu Index series is universally beloved, despite being really, really bad. Especially season 2 and the unfortunate movie. I just don't get this; this is beyond personal taste and the like.
Title: Re: Animu s***t
Post by: Star_Treasure on August 20, 2016, 10:54:36 am
Raillgun is okay even if the main show is a load of garbage.
Title: Re: Animu s***t
Post by: Solarius Scorch on August 20, 2016, 12:01:35 pm
Raillgun is okay even if the main show is a load of garbage.

Yes, Railgun is much better.
Nothing special, but I actually enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Animu s***t
Post by: Star_Treasure on August 22, 2016, 12:29:20 pm
The characters are actually likable and have interesting abilities, unlike Touma who's superpower is to drag everyone down to his level.
Title: Re: Animu s***t
Post by: Solarius Scorch on August 22, 2016, 02:25:28 pm
The characters are actually likable and have interesting abilities, unlike Touma who's superpower is to drag everyone down to his level.

True.
I don't dislike Touma, or even his abilities. I dislike moronic plot, moronic characters (primarily Index, who's super annoying) and the entire execution of the Cursed with Awesome trope.
Okay, it's not the worst anime ever. But I don't understand how it gets so many positive reviews.
Title: Re: Animu s***t
Post by: Dioxine on August 22, 2016, 03:42:47 pm
By the power of fanservice? :)
Title: Re: Animu s***t
Post by: Premier on August 22, 2016, 04:52:50 pm
As far as anime in XPiratez is concerned, I always just assumed it was all used ironically.
Title: Re: Animu s***t
Post by: Star_Treasure on August 23, 2016, 02:12:06 am
By the power of fanservice? :)

Raillgun has better fanservice too though.
Title: Re: Animu s***t
Post by: The Think Tank on August 23, 2016, 04:18:50 am
I don't mind Anime per say, but I do find it is used too excessively. If we are here to brainstorm for replacement images (which isn't a terrible idea, I think we could probably move the anime pictures and excessive nudity to the nudity mod itself) I would suggest that a link is posted to the image we wish to replace and then we can all look for a better replacement. Hopefully that would reduce the manpower required to change such images, assuming that you wish to change the images at all, Dioxine.
Title: Re: Animu s***t
Post by: khade on August 23, 2016, 04:22:47 am
But the excessive anime and random nudity is half the fun!  The other half, naturally, is saying ARR! a lot, among other piraty things.  The next fun half is the combat and triumphing over very long odds, and the last half is the one where we admit that pirates aren't very good at math.
Title: Re: Animu s***t
Post by: The Think Tank on August 23, 2016, 05:00:43 am
But the excessive anime and random nudity is half the fun!  The other half, naturally, is saying ARR! a lot, among other piraty things.  The next fun half is the combat and triumphing over very long odds, and the last half is the one where we admit that pirates aren't very good at math.
For me, the combat, and scavenging nature of the game is where the fun comes from (as well as finding new gear and raiding UFOs or special ships). The whole anime thing just detracts from that mood IMO. Again, my suggestion is to move the anime and nudity stuff to the designated nudity mod, it should be an option to play with it, not a have to play with it thing. But I'll step off my soap box, as I may be on the minority on this one.
Title: Re: Animu s***t
Post by: Arthanor on August 23, 2016, 06:24:24 am
But the Piratez slogan is: Suffering awaits. And Boobs.

You'd lose half the slogan with that idea! I'm not particularly a fan of anime (and the fairy outfit is a bit ott even for Piratez imho. I'd rather a sailor moon outfit as I can't picture even a gal believing in "boobdo" dressing like the fairy), but hey, it's not like you have to use that outfit either..

(I dislike not having at least one free hand, except in cases like ghost which is purely awesome. So coupled with the crazyness of it, I don't think I'll be using fairy outfit, but I would consider it if it had just the star attack)
Title: Re: Animu s***t
Post by: Dioxine on August 23, 2016, 03:33:18 pm
I'd rather a sailor moon outfit as I can't picture even a gal believing in "boobdo" dressing like the fairy), but hey, it's not like you have to use that outfit either..

She has little say in the matter, since it's not clothing, it's polymorphic tech with an intelligent core (the 'magical girl', which is quite obviously creation of the 'Well-Wisher'). Also, sailor senshi uniform makes little sense, since a) it's a good girl's outfit, and the gals are anything but; b) white is attributed, as the color of death, to the destructor outfit.

The general question of animu/nudity - while I agree that one shouldn't go overboard with this, for the risk of simply boring a sensible player - there is a point when irony changes to homage or fanboyism, and it'd be really childish to pass that point. However, on the other hand, purging the mod off all this stuff would mean betraying the basic spirit behind it. The spirit being, that if you don't want to take it, you will lose out on a good tactical game.

You can call it ideological. I consider it bad that in the current culture, all nudity and eroticism was expelled into the realm of porn, thus vulgarizing it; the basic goal of nudity here is optimism, positive vibe, not stirring base instincts. Likewise, animu was balkanized too. Long ago, productions like Akira or Ghost in the Shell were accessible to anyone; now you're either a serious person or an animu freak; and within animu, there is boring serious and fun silly, too. Why can't we have fun serious?
Title: Re: Animu s***t
Post by: Arthanor on August 23, 2016, 10:40:27 pm
Sorry, my knowledge of anime isn't up to the discussion. By "sailor moon outfit", I meant "some other recognizable cheeky outfit, like something from the series Sailor Moon", not specifically sailor moon (which your comment sort of reminded me was a specific character, maybe?), or the color white (I was wondering why destroyer outfit wasn't black or more creepy though, so it's good to know it's white because that's the color of death).

Also, aren't fairies with pink wings generally good too, which would mean they don't fit since the gals are anything but? (not that I know of many fairies.. probably just from peter pan and cinderella...).

Fully agree with the rest though, a good balance and fun serious is a great goal to pursue and I am enjoying Piratez because of it. Were it all gory and heavy like actual pirating probably is, it would be much less enjoyable.
Title: Re: Animu s***t
Post by: Dioxine on August 24, 2016, 12:20:45 am
Are they girls who don't mind wearing skimpy outfits, while using mind-control powers and exploding people with mind-altering EM pulse stun weapons to drag them to some hellhole to be ransomed or put to slavery? Yeah, that kind of fairy :)
Also I don't want the outfits to be too recognizable, because
1. It's boring to me; sure I steal what I can, but simple copying is boring and leaves no place for my inventiveness;
2. It'd reduce said outfits to bland fandom jokes, which is equally bad.