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Title: Do you belive?
Post by: Souljah1214 on June 23, 2014, 09:48:16 am
I was diggin through the net, and somehow ended up reading about real life UFO reports... some of them were hillarious, but some of them seemed to be serious.
I see all this people on the forum, and was wondering, do you belive in extraterestrials? Or maybe have you seen anything unusual?
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Aldorn on June 23, 2014, 09:50:32 am
I was diggin through the net, and somehow ended up reading about real life UFO reports... some of them were hillarious, but some of them seemed to be serious.
I see all this people on the forum, and was wondering, do you belive in extraterestrials? Or maybe have you seen anything unusual?
Nope, but I am currently preparing for it, thanks to the team  ;D

What I'm sure, is that there are so many lives oustide the window, that one day or the other, something will come, I just hope it will not do what do humans on earth with other lives...
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Emre on June 23, 2014, 09:53:37 am
There's no scientific proof yet so believing them or not doesn't mean anything. Do i wish they exist? Yes.
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Aldorn on June 23, 2014, 09:57:24 am
There's no scientific proof yet so believing them or not doesn't mean anything. Do i wish they exist? Yes.
Statistically...
Isn't it a little bit heliocentric to think that Earth could be alone in universe ? Worse, not alone, but we should be THE most advanced ?
Statistically...

Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Emre on June 23, 2014, 10:17:32 am
It's not about believing like religion. They are there or not. We can be alone or there might be millions of advanced civilizataions. Who knows? Other than that it's just wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Aldorn on June 23, 2014, 11:33:02 am
It's not about believing like religion. They are there or not. We can be alone or there might be millions of advanced civilizataions. Who knows? Other than that it's just wishful thinking.
I was not speaking about believing but logic and statistics  :o
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Emre on June 23, 2014, 11:54:19 am
Statistics are not facts. Statisticsly world was flat, statisticsly there were gods for everything, statisticsly there's god.

"We are in an enormous universe so we MUST not be alone." Where's the logic there?
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Falko on June 23, 2014, 12:34:11 pm
we know life developed at least on one planet - no reason why (in form or another) it could not happen else where
now count how many stars exists and its likely that "somewhere" there was/is/will be life on another planet
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Souljah1214 on June 23, 2014, 01:04:54 pm
well... maybe the use of the word "belive" was an unlucky choice... i know things havent been proven pro or contra... but on our little planet there is sooo much unexplained things.... like Hasseldale (i think i wrote it good). This place is in Sweden and it has witnessed some strange light occurances.... and also i kinda belive what Daniken and his companions are saying about ancient astronauts.... Imagine if the astronaut (at the Nazca lines) would be shaped like a Muton:D
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: gunquinn on June 23, 2014, 04:48:36 pm
“Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.”

Arthur C. Clarke



Time will tell.
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Warboy1982 on June 23, 2014, 06:35:44 pm
one cannot rule out the possibility that an extraterrestrial civilization, perhaps a million years more advanced than ours has the capability of reaching the planet Earth - Michio Kaku

Earth being the only life-bearing planet in the whole universe is so mathematically improbable it's roughly equal to 0%.

statistics and probabilities may not be facts, but this is a thread asking what people hold to be the truth, and i trust statistical probability a lot more than gut instinct. granted we don't know now, and we may never know, given the size, speed and expansion of the universe as we know it.

the only logical way to approach this is statistically. we could get a rough estimate of how many life bearing planets MAY exist based on analytical data (that we don't have yet: our sample size is roughly 8 planets, and we barely know anything about the one we inhabit), or purely theoretical numbers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_Earth_hypothesis for more information on the probabilities at play here.

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On 4 November 2013, astronomers reported, based on Kepler space mission data, that there could be as many as 40 billion Earth-sized planets orbiting in the habitable zones of sun-like stars and red dwarf stars within the Milky Way Galaxy. 11 billion of these estimated planets may be orbiting sun-like stars.

that's just within our galaxy. extrapolate from that, it becomes pretty self-evident that the odds of us being alone are insignificant.
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Emre on June 23, 2014, 06:46:02 pm
Earth being the only life-bearing planet in the whole universe is so mathematically improbable it's roughly equal to 0%.

So it's 100% there're extra terrastrials out there. This is funny. You can get nobel prize with that information.
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: kharille on June 23, 2014, 06:49:32 pm
Well, based on some very simple things I've heard like how greys have humanoid features, I had this idea that they might be some form of future human, evolving into annoying little creeps with their oversized heads, night vision large eyeballs and short physique and coming back to bother humans from the past.

Then again, thats based on very little data, wiki, movies and other learning materials I have available to me. 


That reminds me, I once stepped into a train and someone had a very weird look, he noticed I noticed him.  Looked like his eyes were somehow large and slanted.  Maybe political correctness is just some social pressure for us to not notice their infiltration into human society.  Hey, maybe he thought I looked weird too.....

*Waves tentacles*
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Warboy1982 on June 23, 2014, 06:51:26 pm
So it's 100% there're extra terrastrials out there. This is funny. You can get nobel prize with that information.

i'm expressing my personal views on the subject at hand, given what little evidence i have available, and what information i have had access to, and accepted as the truth. i never gave conclusive evidence one way or another because nobody can, i'm simply repeating information, as i understand it, that i have gleaned from what i consider much greater minds than our own. i never set out to prove anything.

the thread is about what people believe. if you disagree, you're completely free to, if you're just gonna crap on what people have to say and contribute nothing to the discussion, you can kindly gtfo.

edit: seems he deleted his account, i meant the thread, not the forums.  :( oops.
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Falko on June 23, 2014, 07:23:32 pm
following: loooong picture that tries to visualize the amount stuff in the universe
(https://i.imgur.com/e9DJjCo.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Aldorn on June 23, 2014, 07:34:14 pm
Excellent ;D
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Sharp on June 24, 2014, 01:39:17 am
One thing that I find interesting and not very common in sci-fi is the thought that 'What if humans are the most advanced species in our galaxy?' I say galaxy because as Falko's pic has shown, the universe is a pretty big place, and it's going to be a long while before we even get to the Solar Interstellar Neighbourhood let alone to Andromeda (although I believe Andromeda is coming to us pretty quickly, although in some billion years).

Not to say that life doesn't exist outside of Earth, but intelligent life? Life advanced enough to travel into space? maybe humans are the first to do so in our little part of the neighbourhood. Although Kepler-22b is hopeful to be Earth-like but seeing as it's 600 light years away there might be intelligent life on it who are also in space, if they have telescopes looking at us they won't know we are space capable for another 600 years.

Space is a big place, knowing if there is intelligent life out there is interesting but honestly until we get anything actually FTL we won't know for many hundreds of years. We might see intelligent life with telescopes but they may be completely un-contactable due to huge distances
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Murmur on June 24, 2014, 04:57:28 am
following: loooong picture that tries to visualize the amount stuff in the universe
(https://i.imgur.com/e9DJjCo.jpg)

Oh my god... I was not ready... I made it to the end and nearly died. Thanks for the laugh!
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: redrat9595 on June 24, 2014, 05:22:18 am
It's almost silly to think that there isn't ANYTHING out there, even if it's just basic life. Consider the Hubble Deep Field.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/HubbleDeepField.800px.jpg/784px-HubbleDeepField.800px.jpg)
(Full resolution here (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/HubbleDeepField.800px.jpg), at ~14 MB)

"[The image covers an area of] about one 24-millionth of the whole sky, which is equivalent in angular size to a 65 mm tennis ball at a distance of 100 metres... [A]lmost all of the 3,000 objects in the image are galaxies, some of which are among the youngest and most distant known."(Source) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_Deep_Field) It's nearly equivalent to looking at the sky through (an oddly shaped :P) straw (which is an area much smaller than the size of the moon) and remembering that the sky you can step outside and see right now isn't even a quarter of Earth's entire sky. Also note that some of those galaxies are over 13 billion light years away, meaning that Earth didn't even exist for over half the time the light was on its way here.

Don't forget that these are galaxies we're talking about. While the Milky Way is larger than most other galaxies, it alone contains between 200 and 400 billion stars.

There's also the HDF South (https://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/images/hs-1998-41-b-full_jpg.jpg) (which helps to establish that the HDF isn't anomalous in the amount of galaxies it contains) and the Hubble eXtreme Deep Field (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/Hubble_Extreme_Deep_Field_%28full_resolution%29.png) (or HXDF, which adds another ~5,500 galaxies to the HDF even though it only looked more closely at a portion of the image). And that's just the observable universe. According to Alan Guth's cosmic inflation theory, the entire universe's size is at least 300,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (3x1023) times larger than the observable universe. Unless we travel FTL, we'll never see most of that because the universe itself expands FTL.

The human mind can't truly grasp the vastness of these numbers, but even from the little bit we can comprehend we should be able to realize how little of a chance there is that we're completely alone.

Isolation, however, is an entirely different issue...
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Solarius Scorch on June 24, 2014, 01:39:46 pm
First of all: UFOs are not necessarily from the outer space. Many ufologists assume they are more likely to come from the future or some parallel universe. Or perhaps from past Earth, which they left at some point (the most popular time would be the Cretaceous).

Now, let's concentrate on actual aliens from another planet. There are countless estimations, more or less scientific, like the Drake equation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation). I personally would like to point to the following necessary assumptions:

1) Life is not a one-time event.
Claiming that life is unique to Earth would be pretty heliocentric, since its chemical processes aren't particularly exotic. Even the development of DNA, or some equivalent, seems fairly probable to me, given enough time (and there is much time available).

2) Any cradle of life can create intelligent life.
However, highly organized life is a different story. Rising above bacteria level is extremely difficult for energy management reasons, and on Earth it worked only due to a miraculous and highly improbable symbiosis of cells with other cells, which evolved into mitochondria (otherwise it would be simple cellular life only). This is explained further in this short article (https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18734-why-complex-life-probably-evolved-only-once.html#.U6lST7GUNaE). And it is rather safe to say that complex life is necessary for intelligence as we know it.
Therefore, while I have little doubt that there is life out there, I am hesitant to say the same about aliens with plasma guns.

3) Alien intelligence is comparable to ours.
X-Com aliens are, well, alien, but are they really? Their physiology, society, culture and artefacts are parallel to ours - they understand transportation, engineering, warfare and so on. But is this true for a hypothetical alien intelligence out there, assuming it had the chance to appear at all?
The answer is, I don't know. However, I do know one thing: all living things must manage limited resources, and therefore understand such concepts as competition and hostility, but also economy, cooperation and trade. Therefore, no matter how alien they are, we can always communicate with them by exchange of resources (unless we have nothing to offer them, but I find it unlikely). I can't say anything more about other aspects of alien intelligence, because there is no data; refer to good sci-fi books for more elaboration (S. Lem, A. C. Clarke, W. J. Williams and more).

This perspective may not seem overly optimistic about meeting our space cousins, though it's not overly pessimistic either. Still, even there is none, there is still the parallel universes theory and other sources of weirdness that can also be taken into consideration as for the source of aliens, so do not despair! I would say that if our universe indeed keeps forking into other universes, then the existence of aliens is not just probable, it's inevitable. Of course many of these aliens - those from the nears regions of the multiverse - are completely like us, but that's another story...
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Souljah1214 on June 24, 2014, 02:57:12 pm
for me personally is hard to accept the fact that multiple dimensions can live together... it sounds for me sooo absurd... but then again... who am i to rule out this things? my friends and i have a theory that, what if the human race is the only "breed" that knows and uses war.

I strongly belive that we were visited back in history by aliens.... i just cant think how an ancient guy/girl would paint hawkheaded people claiming they have descended from the skies... if we look around in ancient mythologies, by some strange coincidence, we always find the same old signs again and again. It doesnt matter if the civilizations are diveded by a lot of water and land.

But the question is so large and so unseeable (this word exists in english?) like the universe... but i know for sure i saw once something very strange... but before that people have to understand when i say UFO (as posted before me) is not neceseraly from outer space piloted by ET....

you guys probably have seen a satelite swiming through the night sky. So i saw similiar little dot flying from W towards E. And then all of a sudden, it made a very shar 180 degree turn and flew soooo f.cking fast away that i know it wasnt a normal airplane... this happened sowhere around 99-2000. so a long time ago, but never-ever have seen anything like that.

So yeah... anything is possible i guess. Maybe the Mole-people are up to something.

a bit offtopic:

have any of the programing gurus thought about an alien race, who would be earth based but living underneath the surface?
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Warboy1982 on June 25, 2014, 03:37:04 am
what if the human race is the only "breed" that knows and uses war.

we already know that's false. ants wage war all the time.
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Solarius Scorch on June 25, 2014, 03:51:35 am
we already know that's false. ants wage war all the time.

Exactly. As I said before, pretty much any life form understands warfare due to competition.

Regardless, not knowing war is an interesting thought experiment in any sci-fi work.
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Mr. Quiet on June 25, 2014, 04:25:23 am
The Hollow Earth theory is the main reason I'd avoid exploring caves. The main idea is that the Earth has huge open areas to create cities and dwelling places with dangerous species of creatures that may be as aliens to us. Just think of the Underdark, same idea.

Also had an article from a 1950's NatGeo magazine about a group of school kids that went missing after exploring an ancient catacombs they let people tour in Rome. The catacombs were very deep and areas still unexplored. Before that someone reported seeing a strange looking humanoid while exploring a restricted area. I read all this on /x/ years ago and the Nat Geo mag does exist, I downloaded the issue from an archive site, although I don't remember the issue date :(
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Solarius Scorch on June 25, 2014, 04:27:43 am
Also had an article from a 1950's NatGeo magazine about a group of school kids that went missing after exploring an ancient catacombs they let people tour in Rome.

I've been there when I was 11. I saw no aliens. :(
(but there was plenty of skeleton dust, so it was still OK)
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Souljah1214 on June 25, 2014, 08:49:03 am
ok i know ants wage war against each other... but they dont do it with nuclear weapons.... thats the strange in human race, that we are so creative when it comes to harm or kill to other!

there are a lot of underground caverns which are strange... I dont know its name, but in turkey for instance there is a "city" underneath the surface which can host like more then 10.000 people. And the strangest feature is that its doors can be operated only from the inside. So probably this was some kind of shelter...

so yeah.... something must be out there... i know there are a lot of bullsh1t reports about this kind of stuff, but some of them seems true and confusing
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Falko on June 25, 2014, 12:00:59 pm
so yeah.... something must be out there... i know there are a lot of bullsh1t reports about this kind of stuff, but some of them seems true and confusing
too bad nobody ever delivered any convincing evidence (witness != evidence: in the middle age people genuinely saw witches fly in the sky even with multiple witnesses .. do you believe them?)
i have no problem with "something must be out there" my problem is with "something must be out there (besides us)" and i admit alien make for a really good story .. and we all love a good story
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Warboy1982 on June 25, 2014, 12:40:24 pm
oh, undoubtedly, i don't think we've ever been "visited" and i don't think we will be any time soon, but i'd love to be wrong.
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Aldorn on June 25, 2014, 01:01:47 pm
oh, undoubtedly, i don't think we've ever been "visited" and i don't think we will be any time soon, but i'd love to be wrong.

Suppose we are the most advanced, we will visit others

But as it is likely we are not, others will visit us

As others are more advanced, it could be they already came, but we did not suspect anything, as they use improved technology, making them undetectable

Just 2000 years in the past, get a cellular phone, a tablet, ... to someone... electricity, energy, technology, image, sound, ... he cannot even unerstand what you are, what you want, what you say, you are just a god

Only 2000 years ago, with our ridiculous technology level, we are aliens...
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Warboy1982 on June 25, 2014, 01:07:31 pm
sure, they may visit us, or we may visit them, anything is possible given enough time, the problem is we gotta FIND each other... and there's a WHOLE lot of ground to cover, not to mention that any stars/planets that we're observing today may have died millions of years ago, further compounding the problem...

as for us being the most advanced, i kinda highly doubt that. we're a fledgling race at best. i mean considering how long the universe has existed compared to how long the planet has existed compared to how long life on this planet has existed compared to how long WE'VE existed... we're insignificant.

we're certainly highly advanced compared to anything else on our planet, but it's possible that some other species hit this level of advancement some 65 million years ago, and we probably couldn't even form a basis for comparison in that case.
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Hythlodaeus on June 25, 2014, 01:15:00 pm
Thinking our planet as the only one supporting life in such a huge universe is an absurdity, so of course I believe in out-of-earth lifeforms, but if we're talking about classic UFO conspiracy, there's a lot more to be considered.

To sum it up, kinda like you said, UFO/abduction reports often seem erratic and bizarre, with no constant chain of events that can be traced or analyzed scientifically. Not that all the people who report it are liers, as plenty of 'em have been subjected to polygraph tests that yielded no positive results (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Walton#Polygraph).

However, and according to known aerospace scientist and UFO investigator Jacques Vallée (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vall%C3%A9e), none of it seems to make any sense whatsoever. While some cases display what we seem to understand as a classic abduction case (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_and_Barney_Hill_abduction), others are completely balls-to-the-wall insane (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_Masks_Case) while having evidence that something indeed happened. Now whether this is the fruit of some kind of superior intelligence or some weird natural and/or cultural phenomenon that remains unknown.
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Hobbes on June 25, 2014, 02:00:57 pm
oh, undoubtedly, i don't think we've ever been "visited" and i don't think we will be any time soon, but i'd love to be wrong.

I have the opposite opinion from what I've read on the subject.

To me the best UFO cases are those reported by military and air traffic sources (specially pilots) since they are made not by the general public but by specialists and in many cases are backed with data (specially unidentified radar tracks). These cases are a minority when compared to the rest of the UFO reports but usually the incidents are usually classified as 'reliable' (several witnesses, images/radar records, etc.) and 'unexplainable'.

And, usually, the official government documents were originally classified as either 'secret' or 'top secret' before they were released to the public. And while the official position is that the phenomena doesn't pose a defense threat, some of them kinda make your neck hair stand up. Just do a search for the Malmstorm Air For Base Nuclear Missile UFO incident, where Air Force personnel reported that a hovering UFO simply hovered over a missile silo and deactivated 10 nuclear missiles inside. And that this happened again on the same day at another nuclear silo on the same base. Or, in another example, the military organization responsible for tracking the skies/space over North America, NORAD, has released documents stating that it had detected over 7,000 unidentified events over a 10 year period in the 1970s. Let's say that 99% of those can be explained as natural phenomena... but what about the remaining 1%?

Now, I understand the official government position of dismissing or refusing to provide explanation for those cases, while at the same time there are official instructions on how to report those incidents, because I honestly don't think they have better options. If they say that aliens are involved, they would need to produce proof. And even if they had proof and revealed it, they'd be admitting that they don't hold complete power anymore.

And also, because I don't believe that whomever is behind those phenomena wants to reveal itself. If they wanted to let the world know about their existence, they would have done it so by now. And while aliens are the usual culprits, there are other possibilities as valid, like time travel, other dimensions, or even humans from Earth. But to me, there's something clearly out there and examining us, since so many valid (IMO) reports exist of actual unidentified craft engaged in deliberate behavior.
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Falko on June 25, 2014, 02:18:12 pm
lets wait the next 20 years where many within the population have a portable camera ready within 5 seconds
if we have so many incidents there should be clear photos of ufos  at least in developed countries (=with enough cameras)
i predict we will see fakes and somehow grainy unrecognisable pixelblobs (as before)
if they are here they seem to be quite useless its like traveling time into the stoneage and messing with the early homo sapiens with a laserponter
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Solarius Scorch on June 25, 2014, 02:22:43 pm
if they are here they seem to be quite useless its like traveling time into the stoneage and messing with the early homo sapiens with a laserponter

I think it's a funny and yet profound comparison, that should be used somewhere. :)
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Hobbes on June 25, 2014, 02:29:07 pm
lets wait the next 20 years where many within the population have a portable camera ready within 5 seconds
if we have so many incidents there should be clear photos of ufos  at least in developed countries (=with enough cameras)
i predict we will see fakes and somehow grainy unrecognisable pixelblobs (as before)
if they are here they seem to be quite useless its like traveling time into the stoneage and messing with the early homo sapiens with a laserponter

There's already plenty of videos on Youtube - the problem is that 99% of the images you get will be misinterpretations, camera defects or simply hoaxes and there's simply no time to examine all. The best reliable cases are always those were you have several witnesses and different types of records (images, radar, etc.)

Vallee (mentioned before) first considered the extraterrestrial hypothesis but later has stated other ones. That they're caused by a "non-human consciousness that manipulates space and time" that has always interacted with humanity through several means to influence it. Or that the UFOs are caused by a human faction that wants to manipulate public perception and deceive the governments, in order to change the social order. All of them are possible.
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Aldorn on June 25, 2014, 02:40:00 pm
There's already plenty of videos on Youtube - the problem is that 99% of the images you get will be misinterpretations, camera defects or simply hoaxes and there's simply no time to examine all. The best reliable cases are always those were you have several witnesses and different types of records (images, radar, etc.)

Vallee (mentioned before) first considered the extraterrestrial hypothesis but later has stated other ones. That they're caused by a "non-human consciousness that manipulates space and time" that has always interacted with humanity through several means to influence it. Or that the UFOs are caused by a human faction that wants to manipulate public perception and deceive the governments, in order to change the social order. All of them are possible.
I always wonder how much a supra power would care about humanity... Eventually earth, without really making distinction between us and what we are used to name animals and plants...
If something take care of us, this means it is perhaps itself not so advanced as we would like to think...
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Solarius Scorch on June 25, 2014, 02:43:56 pm
I always wonder how much a supra power would care about humanity... Eventually earth, without really making distinction between us and what we are used to name animals and plants...
If something take care of us, this means it is itself not so advanced as we would like to think...

But we also don't know what it meant to be a superior intelligence. Perhaps it meant to think of lower intelligences much as we do about fish - which is, not much unless for practical purposes - but on the other hand, perhaps they would have a culture that inclines them to care about us. We just have no data on it whatsoever.
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Souljah1214 on June 26, 2014, 11:02:59 am
yeah... i also belive that pilots (civilians and military) are credibel persons... Just check out Thomas Mantell or the Gorman Dogfight. Just some examples.... I understand second hand information needs to be handled with care. But i guess a person, qualified for piloting an aircraft, can decide he or she saw something strange, or a new type of airplane (since the design of aircrafts are so similiar)


a bit offtopic..... (i know, iknow again but...) Please help me out with this one. I have a Dell Inspiron 6400 with XP installed on it. I have this problem running games, that they are running well, and then the games start to lag. Im not trying to play the latest games, but like IL2 (which should run perfectly) or Grand Prix Legends (which is a stone age game from 98) etc. I think i have the problem source, since this machine uses an Mobility Radeon X1400 but in my machine specs it says Mobile Intel 945GM Express Chipset Family. I got the correct driver, and when i want to install it, it says that it cannot find the proper hardware (or something like that). As you all can guess, im not that technical wizard as some of you seems to be, but i like videogaming:) I would appreciate some help of you really.

P.S.: OXC never lagged so it gets from me 5star rating
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Falko on June 26, 2014, 01:26:15 pm
from https://debunker.com/ufo.html =>  https://debunker.com/texts/black_box_approach_to_ufo_perceptions.html
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Aircraft pilots are an excellent example. Just what does their perceptual training consist of? Maccabee (et al.) would have us believe that decades of cockpit experience have developed in such people a dispassionate reflex to note the characteristics of any and all sudden visual apparitions. But this is unreasonable: surviving pilots are people of rapid action, not calm contemplation. Any unusual perception may instinctively be interpreted immediately in its most dangerous possible incarnation, and avoidance action must be executed quickly. Only later, when a sense of surprise (and by conditioned reflex, danger) has passed, can the pilot react closer to the human norm, with curiosity and careful observation.

And what is the most dangerous thing a pilot can see out the window in mid- flight? It is another aircraft, on collision course. The training in observation which pilots therefore obtain over their flying careers is to instantly see if the visual apparition is consistent with some interpretation of an approaching physical aircraft, and if so, react to avoid collision. "Better safe than sorry" is a prudent motto in mid-air.

Hence it should come as no surprise that pilots have repeatedly misinterpreted distant fireball meteors as nearby jets or rockets, have thrown their aircraft into violent evasive maneuvers to dodge a falling satellite sixty miles overhead, have made turns to avoid running into the cloud-shrouded rising crescent moon, and similar cases. Such misperceptions -- which err on the side of caution and hence tend to enhance the survival rate of the percipients -- are regular features of UFO reports by pilots. This is so much so that even Dr. J. Allen Hynek of the Center for UFO Studies remarked in one of his books that "Surprisingly, pilots are among the poorest observers of UFOs" -- a valid generalization which Hynek did not draw appropriate conclusions from, and which he repudiated (or forgot) in later years.
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Souljah1214 on June 26, 2014, 03:53:09 pm
Ok i understand the logic behind this... but whats up with the radar signals? i cant firmly belive that everytime some weather phenoma is behind the "alerts" that would mean all the passenger planes and military jets are this shit of a technology? today we also have to take in consideration the drones (i hate those bastards!)

Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: yrizoud on June 26, 2014, 04:38:01 pm
Mandatory XKCD approach:
(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/settled.png)
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Falko on June 26, 2014, 04:58:32 pm
there is a xkcd  (https://xkcd.com/1235/)for everything :D
i am no expert in "ufo/alien sightings" (outside of the tv/pc screen) or even amateur
finding the text/link above took a bit time
and am not interested finding more "debunk" texts for the next "but what about ..."-topic sorry

without any idea about reliability of radar my trust in this technique took a downturn with some plane crashes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerolinee_Itavia_Flight_870 (not recent but i read about that because some one saw similarities to 370)
Title: Re: Do you belive?
Post by: Souljah1214 on June 26, 2014, 08:10:20 pm
No worries Falko... i didnt wanted you to bring an academic opinion... but i respect your words...

so i guess this topic is drained to the bone... since none of us can bring the "smokingbarrel" :D

but if an intergalactic war erupts... i hope to "see" you guys in the trenches:D