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Contributions => Offtopic => Topic started by: B1ackwolf on February 16, 2014, 02:55:47 am
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hey guys first of all i know this maybe could be wrong place to do this and maybe most of you are unaware of this but im here to asking your help.
right now my country are passing trough a terrible situation of crisis
my name is Thomas Rondon a Medical Student of the UNIVERSIDAD CENTRAL DE VENEZUELA (venezuelan central college)
in the february twelve (12/4/2014 or 4/12/2014) all the students including myself decided to make a pacific concentration in all majors cities of venezuela but the goverment tried to stop us using BRUTAL FORCE shoting us and sadly taking the life of at least three inocent students injuring at least one hundred more and taking massive arrest all arround the country (including me ...i was caught with another 26 innocents students trying to impute us the crime of TERRORISM but i was released witouth charges because there was not even evidence of it)
the gobverment has taken a MASSIVE SHUTDOWN of the media...including television and EVEN TWITTER AND FACEBOOK tryng to ISOLATE the country and we need to spread the news by others ways...here is a video from youtube that explain all what is happening (on english) so if anyone of you could just simple share it and help us to stop the media BLACKOUT..please help me and all the others venezuelan to make the world know what is happening here ...sorry for the inconvenience and thank you very much for your time and pleaaaase excuse my poor english
i dont even have time of fix it with a translator because there are possibilities of shuting off all the internet and i dont have much time :-\
VENEZUELA SITATION IN A NUTSHELL :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFS6cP9auDc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFS6cP9auDc)
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I'm sorry to hear that. I hope everything turns out for the better in your country my friend.
Godspeed.
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thank you my friend im very glad of your words and if you want to help me...please share the video and dont worry just like the venezuelan national athem "Glory to the Brave People" says:
" Let’s scream out aloud:
Death to oppression!!!
Oh, loyal countrymen:
Strength is in unity!! "
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Amen to that brother. Will do.
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I wish the best for Venezuela, and I'm not usually one to talk about conspiracy theories, but I can't help but wonder who is really behind this video..
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Same thing in Ukraine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HihXs_Q6Qx8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RwOq2l6jrw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPIDB1cM-lo
Peaceful protests works well only if works well judicial system.
In other case peaceful protest is useless.
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but I can't help but wonder who is really behind this video..
the video was created by ANDREINA NASH a venezuelan girl living in the united states,because all the media in the country are in a BLACKOUT..if you look the news you'll se NOTHING...its just like nothing its happening...just like all the students murdered and injured were from narnia or something.
She has done at least three vids in different language
i post the english version ..she made it using a footage of all the photos and vids of the last 2 days (it was made the 14)
that was the day i was liberated (i get caught by the army and tryied to get me jail for TERRORISM (but theres was not proof so i was liberated)
also there is a lot of problem here because the police are using lethal force againts the inocent
but we remember the word of our Liberator Simón Bolivar:
" Damn the soldier who points his weapon at his own people"
(https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/v/t1/1620624_10202648154420678_2035145769_n.jpg?oh=76c90e714e05ce0464ad02dd8ad598a0&oe=5378391A)
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Good luck to all the people in Venezuela. I'd hate to sound pompous, but as a Pole (and not that young one) I understand your fight, at least generally.
I would actually extend the same words to our players in Ukraine. Again, good luck.
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thanks you bro,i really appreciate your kind words...i wish i could come more frequently but right now the things are worst than ever.
today its the "national doctor's day" so we make a march to ask for better salaries and conditions to work..right now the estate has a deep crisis on the health sector
after we arrived the ministry of health began to spoill and degraded us calling us "fasict,nazis,traitors,oligarcs"...and then the national guard began to shoot us with pellets and tear gas bombs...the ironic thing is...that the ministry get a bomb nearly and inhalate it,so she faint away....
guess whos one attend her...there in the middle of the gas clouds and the whispering pellets?
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That is a super cool story mate. The socialist government has been an impulsive force towards the development and independence of Venezuela from the foreign powers, but you right-wing kids like to think you're special. All of these protests are but a consequence of a right wing strike ever since Chavez's death. If you oppose your current government, you're practically wishing for US hegemony and oil economy to return. Of course the state has been rough on you blokes, but it's mostly because Caprilles supporters started violent protests due to not accepting what was a fair defeat in fair elections. So you're essentially reaping what you sowed.
You're speaking of a media shutdown, and yet you forget to mention most Venezuelan TV channels are privately owned by groups who were Caprilles supporters, and even international media have widely reported the discrepancies in the news between state-owned channels and privately owned channels.
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okey thanks for your reply and let me explain you a couple of things you said :)
(if my poor english let me xD)
That is a super cool story mate. The socialist government has been an impulsive force towards the development and independence of Venezuela from the foreign powers,
okey i know this...i know the project i know what they want to do...but...independece of venezuela from the foreign powers?,rigth now we doubt billions of dollars to china,and russia...we dont have enough money so we practically sold PDVSA (the statal oil company) to china ..and russia are studing the posibilitie of puting their militare base here on venezuela...also we are maintaining cuba...we give them free internet,free oil barrels...that would be okay iiiiiiiiif the country was already fine...i mean..do you wanna help somebody GOOD..but how you can do that if you cant afford it?...there are proof of cuban injerency in our gobverment..also in the army forces who are repressing harshly the protest...WOOOOW SOO INDEPENDCE!..MUCH FREEDOM! wow
but you right-wing kids like to think you're special. All of these protests are but a consequence of a right wing strike ever since Chavez's death. If you oppose your current government, you're practically wishing for US hegemony and oil economy to return
this is not a fight between left or right...dude we dont have food..there is a inflation of 56%...we need THREE minimum salaries just to cover the basi cest of alimentation..there are a rampant crime (just only in the TWO FIRST MONTHS of the years..there had already 2896 death by violence) also...the Chavez's death was used as a political bussiness...their own daughters come out on tv sayin he was okey they was already walking and stuff...and then the next day he was "dead" and now all the medical reports are confusing...and men i study medicine i know what im talking about(beside the bizarre and foolish idea that his cancer was somehow innoculate by USA...with some cancer gun stuff i guess)
Of course the state has been rough on you blokes, but it's mostly because Caprilles supporters started violent protests due to not accepting what was a fair defeat in fair elections
capriles unties from the protest...he said "i dont think this is the solution so i dont approve this".......so naming Capriles on this doesnt make sense,and the elections was faaar from fair...its a long history but...even if that 51%-49%....just only show how polarizated is the country...and if you want to rule just for a half of the country...is foolish believe that the other half will be okey with that
You're speaking of a media shutdown, and yet you forget to mention most Venezuelan TV channels are privately owned by groups who were Caprilles supporters, and even international media have widely reported the discrepancies in the news between state-owned channels and privately owned channels.
in my country are only five MAINS channels...1.TELEVEN, 2.VENEVISION,3.GLOBOVISION,4.VTV,.5.TVES
4 and 5 are tottaly progobverment..meanwhile 1 and two are more "neutrals" and threatened with taking them off the air if they say something again the gob...3 is a really special case because was the only "opossition" channel but CONATEL purchased it so right now..is neutral-pro gob,the february 12...there was not ONE channel(even state or privately owned channel) that said something about what were happening,only old movies and repeated novels..they send out all they personel to their homes..and keep just a few enginers who was capable of leting repeating all the programation over and over again
i appreciate your opinion and i really want to ask whatever you want to ask (im venezuelan and im living in caracas so i know what is going on)
if my english let me,and know i want to ask you:
how its possible that a state that controls EVERYTHING for 15 years..can say all the problems of the country are not they fault?
how its possible that a state with the largest oil reserves are passing throught such a economical crisis?
how its possible that after 15 years of politics (some goods soome bad) the country still has the same problems of the fourth republic (all the things before Chavez...aaaaaand their favorite scapegoath of everything what its happening right now)
if you share room with someone who its annoying,dirty,rude,careless,negligent,lazy,uncooperative and when you mention it ..they react violent,harsh,disrespectful,indolent......what do you do?...ignore it? for another 15 years?
answer me sincerely
i hope you read and understand all my words (sorry again..my english is really bad),thanks and have a nice day sir
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. Of course the state has been rough on you blokes,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wslIITd4bLg#t=60 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wslIITd4bLg#t=60)
juuuuuuuuuuust a little bit rough...but thats okay...this is the better angle of one of our glorious PEOPLE'S GUARDS making peace! (how ironic is that name)
but hey....the gob has been beating us for about 15 years...so a little more of "PEACE" its nothing new :)
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okey thanks for your reply and let me explain you a couple of things you said :)
(if my poor english let me xD)
okey i know this...i know the project i know what they want to do...but...independece of venezuela from the foreign powers?,rigth now we doubt billions of dollars to china,and russia...we dont have enough money so we practically sold PDVSA (the statal oil company) to china ..and russia are studing the posibilitie of puting their militare base here on venezuela...also we are maintaining cuba...we give them free internet,free oil barrels...that would be okay iiiiiiiiif the country was already fine...i mean..do you wanna help somebody GOOD..but how you can do that if you cant afford it?...there are proof of cuban injerency in our gobverment..also in the army forces who are repressing harshly the protest...WOOOOW SOO INDEPENDCE!..MUCH FREEDOM! wow
Have you seen the nature of the protestors? Because you don't have to dig much to realize Leopoldo and his supporters have been fierce anti-chavistas since day 1 (source: https://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/04/us-venezuela-protests-idUSBREA231L820140304). These same people have been organizing protests against chavez ever since he rose to power even without popular support. As for helping Cuba, you don't give 'em free internet, because the underwater cable you built is not even working at the moment. On top of that, even if it was working, having it just running would cost you nothing. As for free oil I also doubt that. Cheap oil maybe, but free no way. I'd be more worried about US infiltration in your country than minimal cuban influences in your government. The former are practically harmless. Regarding the selling of PDVSA, I'd like to see some sources on that, because that sounds like plain bullshit to me. Nationalizing PDVSA was already a pain in the past, and one of the best things the socialist government ever did. I sincerely doubt they would be privatizing it again.
this is not a fight between left or right...dude we dont have food..there is a inflation of 56%...we need THREE minimum salaries just to cover the basi cest of alimentation..there are a rampant crime (just only in the TWO FIRST MONTHS of the years..there had already 2896 death by violence) also...the Chavez's death was used as a political bussiness...their own daughters come out on tv sayin he was okey they was already walking and stuff...and then the next day he was "dead" and now all the medical reports are confusing...and men i study medicine i know what im talking about(beside the bizarre and foolish idea that his cancer was somehow innoculate by USA...with some cancer gun stuff i guess)
It is a fight between left and right, because Venezuela has been under international watch ever since Chavez came to power. Perhaps you don't realize the value of your own country in the international political scene: a left-alligned Venezuela with its massive oil reserves supplying all the rest of South America is the one of the main keys for the continent to finally stop being the backyard of the US, and an exploitation field for international oil companies.
capriles unties from the protest...he said "i dont think this is the solution so i dont approve this".......so naming Capriles on this doesnt make sense,and the elections was faaar from fair...its a long history but...even if that 51%-49%....just only show how polarizated is the country...and if you want to rule just for a half of the country...is foolish believe that the other half will be okey with that
Really now? How about the time he contested the election results and incentivated protests after his defeat against maduro? That's especially fishy considering how he didn't complain when he first lost against chavez. Caprilles is essentially playing a double game here, and that's not hard to see.
in my country are only five MAINS channels...1.TELEVEN, 2.VENEVISION,3.GLOBOVISION,4.VTV,.5.TVES
4 and 5 are tottaly progobverment..meanwhile 1 and two are more "neutrals" and threatened with taking them off the air if they say something again the gob...3 is a really special case because was the only "opossition" channel but CONATEL purchased it so right now..is neutral-pro gob,the february 12...there was not ONE channel(even state or privately owned channel) that said something about what were happening,only old movies and repeated novels..they send out all they personel to their homes..and keep just a few enginers who was capable of leting repeating all the programation over and over again
That is not what I heard from many media sources, including wikipedia itself, IIRC, unless the channels were nationalized or switched management very recently. So I call bullshit on that until
i appreciate your opinion and i really want to ask whatever you want to ask (im venezuelan and im living in caracas so i know what is going on)
if my english let me,and know i want to ask you:
how its possible that a state that controls EVERYTHING for 15 years..can say all the problems of the country are not they fault?
how its possible that a state with the largest oil reserves are passing throught such a economical crisis?
how its possible that after 15 years of politics (some goods soome bad) the country still has the same problems of the fourth republic (all the things before Chavez...aaaaaand their favorite scapegoath of everything what its happening right now)
if you share room with someone who its annoying,dirty,rude,careless,negligent,lazy,uncooperative and when you mention it ..they react violent,harsh,disrespectful,indolent......what do you do?...ignore it? for another 15 years?
answer me sincerely
i hope you read and understand all my words (sorry again..my english is really bad),thanks and have a nice day sir
a) A state never controls everything you dimwit. It is subject to international economy, diplomacy, market fluctuations, etc. This is especially relevant in a fully capitalistic world AND especially in South America, were the slightest hint of being left-alligned will put you under the target of the US and its allies. No state is an island in a fully globalized world we have today, and much less a protectivist state floating on a see of free market economies that is the rest of the world.
b) Having the largest oil reserves doesn't mean you will always get customers for that oil. From the moment PDVSA was nationalized, they essentially declared war to the global oil market which is ran by a handful of european and american corporation known as the seven sisters. If you go against this conglomerate, you will be sure that you will lose a lot of customers and make a lot of enemies. But it was the price Venezuela had to pay for getting themselves rid of the oil-addicted economy they previously had.
c) Because of a) and b). Because it's not easy to solve chronic problems which essentially relate to every south american country in only 15 years and by yourself. There's a reason why south america has always been a shithole, and that is due massive exploitation from 1st world countries. That is why you will never be able to solve poverty in Venezuela, Bolivia, Brazil, etc, with just isolated political measures. Action and union must be taken to protect the interests of south american states, and that was actually fairly close to happen with the growth of Brazil's economy that unfortunately went all down the drain recently.
So get to learn some things about international politics and how the world works before blaming a government that has genuinely cared about you all these years, instead of sucking the oil out of your country to put on american cars. I realize you're going through some tough shit, but your government is hardly the culprit of your situation.
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"they control everithing" i mean,they control every power here in the country,they control all the economic and production (all the private industries was EXPROPIATE (understand that like a aggresive take over,without compensations or anything)....all the other venezuelan industries besides oil are in bankrupt.we need to import everything we consumn,thats the main cause of the shortage of products in venezuela(and also the fact we have a "CURRENCY EXCHANGE CONTROL" since 2003)...and the gobv intead of taking more productive solutions...they just blame Colombia...or USA...or Obama...or Bush...or the Fourth Republic... or Panama..or anything instead of just acept their fault and make their best to improve.
The elections was democratic you say?
so...are you saying that the fact a country has elections...they are a DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY?
look north korea....and if you say that living in north korea its okey and you would preffer living there...rather that in any place of the world...that worry me :T (and no. I dont want to leave my country..i would never go away, i born here...and i would rather die here that anywhere) just saying...also...yes i know i would trully enjoy some coallition of south americans countrys that make a economic potency in the world (for example the euro (i know they have problems now...but its just a example) but how venezuelan can try to make a coalition and help any other countries if we can even take care of ourselves...and maybe with cooperation with other countrys we could achieve this...but we dont need that...we could be economically okay and help others one in the region........and thats the first problem the second most important trouble here...its the security....they killed 2800 by violent crimes in Venezuela in the first two months of this year...the gobv doesnt bait and eye....the students begin to protest and they loose their minds...get out the army and begin to shoot them....if they make this with all the criminals...and the roberies,murders,and kidnaps went down...thrust me we would need protest.
we have 79.1 homicides per 100k habitants...and thats awfull because we are just 31 millions aprox ( ((the last year were 24.600 aprox and the 90% of the crimes keep unresolved and the others who get more homicides was brasil and india)
caracas its the second cities with more homicides with 134 per 100k of habitants?
how i cannt get upset with a gobv that ignore all the murderes and insist that they are lies...that everytime its fine...nothing its happen here..men i repeat...i study medicine ..my facult held one of the three majors hospitals in the city and i watch no less that 20 persons ingress for gunfire only in one day? they said sometime ago that "we doesnt have enough military power to control the crimes"...what about all the anti-riot tanks (i dont know if you have a specific word for them they are "lightly armored troops transports") all the soldiers they put on the strets only to shoot and fire all the students (more than half of the deads ...die with a bullet of 9mm in the head and geraldine moreno a girl who died was put down on the floor and then point blank shooting her face) men i dont tell you that the things are wrong in the outside world...but ...just HOW you can live in a place when if the criminals doent kill you from a fucking phone (i lost two friends that way) and dont be upset? how you can live where the police are just a joke (here they do something we call "MATRAQUEO"...they ask you a "colaboration" and if you deny they arrest you or worst they shoot and kill you(i can show you all the information i dont have problems) if you say im wrong and im just exagerating the things...i invite you to come venezuela...and live here two months...and then get your own opinion
p.s:the jokes of the jokes
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1450057741897264
when the medics was marching asking for better laboral conditions in the hospitals (they dont have medical supplies)
they was giving money for making more "c.d.i." (integral domestic centers) (they have already approve this money in the past...and they never get complete..always all the money "dissapear") and for making houses for CUBAN MEDICS (they give us low quality medics we gave them oil)
they come here "study" 3 or 4 years (they are very low qualified,without knowledge and have very low respect for what they are doing)...and them begin to work winning 14k bolivares(our currecy "BS")..when i had to study 6 years and two more for graduate myself and they only pay us 4.2K0 bs (the minimum wage is 3K bs and the basic chart of alimentation rounds about 9k bs...3 MINIMUL WAGES ) but besides our wage...we are protesting for the conditions of the hospitals...and while he was doing that the police beat us,and shoot us riot tear gas and pellets ...how democratic is this country i had to say =)
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"they control everithing" i mean,they control every power here in the country,they control all the economic and production (all the private industries was EXPROPIATE (understand that like a aggresive take over,without compensations or anything)....all the other venezuelan industries besides oil are in bankrupt.we need to import everything we consumn,thats the main cause of the shortage of products in venezuela(and also the fact we have a "CURRENCY EXCHANGE CONTROL" since 2003)...and the gobv intead of taking more productive solutions...they just blame Colombia...or USA...or Obama...or Bush...or the Fourth Republic... or Panama..or anything instead of just acept their fault and make their best to improve.
This is so funny. You started this conversation by saying this wasn't a matter of left or right, and yet now you are clearly placing your ideological views on the right. Nationalized companies are not a bad thing. They belong not only to the state, but also to the public. This means they will never look after raw profit before the wellfare of people, which doesn't happen in a capitalistic state that privatized most of its assets to private investors who seek their own gain before the service of the people. Private industries in Venezuela were expropriated and rightfully so, because they were in the hands of an elite that controlled the country and didn't allow it to move forward. As a result, social mobility was a lot more restricted to farm workers would could barely afford 3 meals a day. You need to import most of the things you consume because your state is chronically addicted in an oil economy known as dutch syndrome (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_disease), and this isn't a situation that is easy to get out in only 15 years. It requires the construction of an entire infrastructure that will make production of other things viable. Previously the private sector in Venezuela had no interest in this, because it would take focus out of their oil profits. This is why the current government nationalized oil and other industrial assets in order to get money from it while at the same time revitalizing the other industries and making internal production affordable.
The elections was democratic you say?
so...are you saying that the fact a country has elections...they are a DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY?
look north korea....and if you say that living in north korea its okey and you would preffer living there...rather that in any place of the world...that worry me :T
Are you seriously trying to compare fucking North Korea to Venezuela? North Korea when there are no elections whatsoever and no opposition is allowed, to Venezuela, which was praised by politicians all around the world by having some of the fairest and transparent democratical elections in the previous years? Here, I even have a video for you from an influential british politician who was there during Chavez reelection, and commented quite positively on the issue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V11pJ8b2KQA
This leads to think you even have no idea of the electorate of your own country, and are thinking so selfishly that you can't realize every elected socialist government in Venezuela received full support of the people. If that's not democracy, I don't know what that is.
(and no. I dont want to leave my country..i would never go away, i born here...and i would rather die here that anywhere) just saying...also...yes i know i would trully enjoy some coallition of south americans countrys that make a economic potency in the world (for example the euro (i know they have problems now...but its just a example) but how venezuelan can try to make a coalition and help any other countries if we can even take care of ourselves...and maybe with cooperation with other countrys we could achieve this...but we dont need that...we could be economically okay and help others one in the region
This is what I was talking about before. There is no fucking country in the world that can do "fine by its own". Economies are interchangeable and interdependable. You cannot expect a full change in your economic and social scenario if the world refuses to play with you. This is why Venezuela's position is such a tough one. It's literally the lid stopping the free market from flooding South America again. If you don't of others at the same time you think about yourself, South America will never be free of US influence and will consistently remain shitty, no matter which government is in power. What makes it especially hard for left-wing governments to deal with it, and consequentially for the people itself, is that they have to play against the US.
........and thats the first problem the second most important trouble here...its the security....they killed 2800 by violent crimes in Venezuela in the first two months of this year...the gobv doesnt bait and eye....the students begin to protest and they loose their minds...get out the army and begin to shoot them....if they make this with all the criminals...and the roberies,murders,and kidnaps went down...thrust me we would need protest.
And you need to wreck shit to, which increases violence even more? Because that is why the cops were forced to intervene. I'm not saying the government is totally right the way they're dealing with this, but there's little they can do at this point, with the inflation soaring high, which consequentially makes prices skyrocket and criminality raise. Not because the state is making it, but because foreign econom is not playing on your side.
i study medicine ..my facult held one of the three majors hospitals in the city and i watch no less that 20 persons ingress for gunfire only in one day? they said sometime ago that "we doesnt have enough military power to control the crimes"...what about all the anti-riot tanks (i dont know if you have a specific word for them they are "lightly armored troops transports") all the soldiers they put on the strets only to shoot and fire all the students (more than half of the deads ...die with a bullet of 9mm in the head and geraldine moreno a girl who died was put down on the floor and then point blank shooting her face) men i dont tell you that the things are wrong in the outside world...but ...just HOW you can live in a place when if the criminals doent kill you from a fucking phone (i lost two friends that way) and dont be upset? how you can live where the police are just a joke (here they do something we call "MATRAQUEO"...they ask you a "colaboration" and if you deny they arrest you or worst they shoot and kill you(i can show you all the information i dont have problems) if you say im wrong and im just exagerating the things...i invite you to come venezuela...and live here two months...and then get your own opinion
On this issue, I show you my solidarity and I genuinely feel sorry for you. But then again, like I said, it's never easy when you live in a marginal South American economy. No matter how good the intentions of your sate are, there will always be corruption and incompetence while everyone is only looking after themselves. That explains your government's current innefectuality to raise security levels. On the flipside, the US also have a hand in this, and I will show you in a while...
when the medics was marching asking for better laboral conditions in the hospitals (they dont have medical supplies)
they was giving money for making more "c.d.i." (integral domestic centers) (they have already approve this money in the past...and they never get complete..always all the money "dissapear") and for making houses for CUBAN MEDICS (they give us low quality medics we gave them oil)
Low quality medics?! Are you fucking insane? Cuba has some of the best trained medics IN THE WORLD. You're literally getting top medical support to your population from some of the best physicians available in your area! And this is something so obvious and well known it's even on fucking wikipedia (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Cuba), with Cuba rating as one of the countries with the best life expectancy in the area, and health services that even attract foreign visitors. All of this DESPITE a chronical shortage of medicines that has plagued the country for ages due to the US embargo. I understand your frustration as a medicine student, but in a country where poverty and malnutrition are still an issue, getting support from Cuban medics is probably one of the best things you could be getting at this point.
they come here "study" 3 or 4 years (they are very low qualified,without knowledge and have very low respect for what they are doing)...and them begin to work winning 14k bolivares(our currecy "BS")..when i had to study 6 years and two more for graduate myself and they only pay us 4.2K0 bs (the minimum wage is 3K bs and the basic chart of alimentation rounds about 9k bs...3 MINIMUL WAGES ) but besides our wage...we are protesting for the conditions of the hospitals...and while he was doing that the police beat us,and shoot us riot tear gas and pellets ...how democratic is this country i had to say =)
You seem to be forgetting those same cuban medics will also suffer from the poor work conditions you are suffering. And for the last time, your country is stuck in hard inflation and debt and has no international support. Getting ANYTHING is hard for you, the same way Cubans also have trouble getting medication because of the embargo.
And one more thing, if you still doubt just how influent the US have been on your current state, have some sources. This is how real as it can get. These are raw leaked diplomatic cables intercepted from the US embassy which clearly shows they have been funding the opposition, groups of protesters, and promoting criminality and unrest.
https://www.vice.com/read/does-the-uss-funding-of-the-venezuelan-opposition-matter
https://www.globalresearch.ca/money-and-intervention-in-venezuela-wikileaks-us-embassy-requests-funding-for-anti-chavez-groups/25444
Plunged in a shit economy with no international monetary rescue, pressured by foreign megapotencies into dethroning your own current government, you guys are pretty much screwed up. It's sad but it's a fact. But your government is hardly the last one to blame here, as it literally fighting a larger battle against a much more numerous and more powerful enemy. It has the right intentions though, mark my words.
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This is so funny. You started this conversation by saying this wasn't a matter of left or right, and yet now you are clearly placing your ideological views on the right. Nationalized companies are not a bad thing. They belong not only to the state, but also to the public. This means they will never look after raw profit before the wellfare of people, which doesn't happen in a capitalistic state that privatized most of its assets to private investors who seek their own gain before the service of the people. Private industries in Venezuela were expropriated and rightfully so, because they were in the hands of an elite that controlled the country and didn't allow it to move forward. As a result, social mobility was a lot more restricted to farm workers would could barely afford 3 meals a day. You need to import most of the things you consume because your state is chronically addicted in an oil economy known as dutch syndrome (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_disease), and this isn't a situation that is easy to get out in only 15 years. It requires the construction of an entire infrastructure that will make production of other things viable. Previously the private sector in Venezuela had no interest in this, because it would take focus out of their oil profits. This is why the current government nationalized oil and other industrial assets in order to get money from it while at the same time revitalizing the other industries and making internal production affordable.
Funny fact, when government run toilet paper business, people run out of toilet paper.
Many years ago its really happens in my country and I heard that happed in Venezuela too recently (right blackwolf?).
Today when my country is run by corporation that try exploit me, I have so many types of toilet paper that I dont know with to choose.
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Just look at Guatemala, Panama, Ecuador, etc. South America has been under pressure from the U.S. to conform to its agenda for ages now.
If you want to get an idea of just how severe the exploitation of other countries by the United States is, read Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins.
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Funny fact, when government run toilet paper business, people run out of toilet paper.
Many years ago its really happens in my country and I heard that happed in Venezuela too recently (right blackwolf?).
Today when my country is run by corporation that try exploit me, I have so many types of toilet paper that I dont know with to choose.
its shame to say...but yes..."the Private industries in Venezuela were expropriated and rightfully so, because they were in the hands of an elite that controlled the country and didn't allow it to move forward"....and now we dont have flour....sugar...and sounds silly...yes...we dont even had toilet paper...they run now the cement and blocks(for construction i mean) industries...and also we doesnt have....and two more things....to anyone who says "the cuban medicine" are the best for the world....just ask Chavez :/...sadly,and here we have a one hundred years doctor who found the a cure for the "leper"(M.D Jacinto Convit,he gave me a couple of classes...very inspiring) and right now are working in the cure for cancer (he make a viccine for cure three types of cancer...its still in test) in dont want to sound arrogant...but we have some of the better doctor (in so many areas) in the world...so why chavez needed goes to a foreing country after they put billions of dollars to upgrade all the hospitals and medical services here on venezuela (the money lost..and anything changed :/)...that its all the point here...yes...the gov tried to IMPROVE the general wealth of the people....but when the people staggers...Chavez always said "BEING RICH IS BAD",i think the right words he means was "BEING RICH ITS BAD EXCEPT IF YOU ARE PRO GOBVERMENT" there is a lot of case of corruption in the gov,thats the trouble...the say something but they act different,they talk about peace...when they shoot in the head of anyone who thinks different...and worst...again there are case of torture,brutal beating,electrical shocking,RAPING(they raped a guy in valencia with a rifle), i was caught and i was beat...kicked (but that's another story), they say "SOCIALIMS"...when they families and childs studie in the "worst and most horrible place of the earth"...yes the "evil morbid mickey mouse empire"...(three of the nephew of chavez are studying in americans colleges...just to name a few examples) they say "FOR ALL THE PEOPLE"...but only one kind of people...if somebody think different...then they are oligarc,traitor,fascist,nazis,traitors...i am not rich...i live by my own ,work hard and study harder...my sin is just want a better future :/...its funny how the gov says that EVERYTHING ITS FINE!...im not saying i want USA intervine my country...its really unfair claim to a gov who was choosen to resolve all the problems of their country and had fail...to try to do it better....they began to kill the studets...what they want they do? just sit and give them flowers?...they shoot the students but they dont do anything to catch criminals...thats why the people are upset and that was i mean in a couple of post ago