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Offline Iazo

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Help! I am losing games because of score! [Guide]
« on: December 29, 2021, 12:12:18 pm »


This is an average activity graph on Jack Sparrow difficulty. It is full of obvious information, not least of which the amount of score one has to pull every month to stay above 0 infamy. The lower difficulties are obviously easier, but also not a walk in the park, the big activity spikes starting in Apr instead of Feb. The other information is which continent the enemy bases are located. see if you can figure that on your own.

There are a few proactive and reactive ways one can handle these scores. I will focus on the proactive ways, because those are the most difficult to deal with, and ignoring them leads to structural problems later on.

1) Brainers are 50% of the effort.

Brainers do not break even most of the time, but they subsidize the score heavily. Estimates show that brainers are about 50% of monthly score, so you should, within reason, always strive to be at max brainer capacity. Remember that in the month they're hired, brainers cost 300k (200k hire+100k maintenance), but you should do the hiring at the start of the month, and push hire as much as possible.

If you're on Gals are Superior path, remember that you can buy hands for 50k, and you can transform Castaways you rescue into brainers, which, quite frankly, is a great way to keep hiring costs down, if you can handle the lower stats of hands vs castaways. The ?Reject the Power? path also provides 7 gnomes, another way to get your brainer count up fast.

2) Missions are 49% of the effort.

Many people avoid researching new missions. Reasons vary from being afraid they cannot handle harder missions, to being afraid they will lose access to older, easier missions, to being afraid enemies will escalate their difficulty based on what you research, or plain cravenness of getting out of comfort zone. Let me put this clearly.

YOU SHOULD ALWAYS RESEARCH NEW MISSIONS.

You can handle harder missions than you think you are capable of, skipping most of the new missions does not usually penalize you, and enemy difficulty progress is often on a timetable independent of whether or not you keep up, so you do not want to remain left behind, and most importantly NEW MISSIONS (usually) DO NOT LOCK YOU OUT OF OLDER ONES. this is a big one, this is important, and is counter the design philosophy of most modern games. Progress of the player is NOT a penalty, so you do not have to be afraid of your fun being taken away from you just for playing the game.

That said, I have a list here of missions that I will rank in the order of importance to unlock, and a few tips for each. This is, obviously, not an exhaustive list, but stuff that you, more or less, want to have done within the first 6 months.

*!!BOUNTY HUNTING!!

Only the most important goal you have to do in January, no big deal. You should do the Violence pillar of Pirate philosophy as soon as possible, and grab this. It gives you bounty tokens, it gives you huge score, missions are easier than the starting ones even, and the score gotten for doing them is absurd.


*!Warehouse Wars!

Another important goal, if possible, get it in Jan. This will, of course, require you to build a Mess Hall over one of your starting security corridors, interrogate an airbus nurse, and doing Who is Who? The benefits are many enslaveable mooks, the opportunity to score a wrench and a stapler (gateblocks to Workshop), and the opportunity to get easy durathread, some non-sucky firearms (RCF carbines), and even some durable body armor (Tac Vest). Also, the opportunity to learn about the Guild, the easiest way to !Toppling Towers!


*Slavery

It might be odd seeing this in the missions list, but it provides a very important benefit, which is the ability to enslave mooks. Apart from the slaves themselves, one of the MOST important products of slavery is glamour. Why Is glamour important? Well...

*Bounty Badge C

It requires a very hefty investment, you need 200 glamour(!!), and one of each reward from your first bounty hunting clients. I advise NOT gabling at all until you get the Silver Snake reward from Jack. The benefits for Bounty C is another batch of easy missions, that are very profitable, short, and absurd in points granted. Also the Bounty Challenge that is beyond the scope of the current guide (although if you want an short answer, start in Thebes and do the Mutant Alliance bounty is the easiest and safest.)


*!Undersea Treasures!

Many people are scared of underwater. You should not be. In general, a strong team of topless gals with javelins and O2 tanks can pretty much run roughshod over most opponents underwater.

The two exceptions are: Hallucinoids (Abort mission) and Sharkmen (pikewall/spearwall). Scout the first turn by depleting unit movement to 50%. If you see any of those, either bail, or take appropriate-advanced tactics into account. If you DON'T see anyone, it's almost certainly hallucinoids. Use the other 50% to run.

*Undersea Operations

Is an upgrade to the above, which means just more of the same.

*!Monster Hunts!

Easy missions that require you to bully some defenseless monsters. Easiest done in multi-level craft like Snake, Shadowbat, Dutchman, Hawk, Scarab...you get the idea. Single level craft will have a lot more trouble due to the monsters dogpiling the craft, so you better have Armors with Shield and good melee master guarding dem doors. Another curveball is another crew of hunters fighting you instead of monsters later in the game. Ratmen are no big deal, Ninjas and PCMs are trouble, Nomads are... well, better just go to your craft and leave.

*!Toppling Towers!

One of the first true mid-game missions, it is still not very hard, while providing good guns and engineers for your research. Do it with care, but the opportunities are worth it.

*!Bandit Camps!

One of the more fun but exhausting missions. You can go at night, and depending on spawns, you can do it with relative safety. The main benefit is the absurd score this mission grants.

*!Neophyte Camp!

Much like Bandit Camps, it is a mission full of squishies that gives you score, but the problem is the fact that some of them carry panzerfausts, which CAN ruin your day and craft if you're not paying attention.

*!Bandit Business!

This is bandit camps, but on steroids. Normally I avoid this until getting at least Metal Armor, if not Tac Armor. It is long and dangerous, while not providing that great rewards at the level you are at the time.

*Logistics

This one gates the spawn of Dark Ones missions starting from August. Dark ones are relatively easy to handle so you should of course do Logistics research (though it also gates some useful contacts, so not sure why someone wouldn't do it by then anyway).

*!Underground Missions! AKA the Newb Lokk Darwinian Gauntlet

I hate these missions seemingly because I always lose about half of the lokks I send there. If you want to improve your survival chances, Slayer(S) and somewhat trained lokks are a must. Bring fast shotguns, or suppressed pistols.

*!Socializing! Party Dress

This is an odd one. You can only bring gals to it. The mission is under a heavy morale and freshness draining aura, and you are limited to zero weapons. You will face, in the order of difficulty: bandits, ninjas or ghosts. You cannot retreat. Despite it being non-lethal, this mission is QUITE hard. Bring your gals naked, this way they will get assigned random outfits, possibly even overpowered ones. If you go in party dresses, this advantage will be lost. The gals have to have good scores in bravery, excelent melee scores, and zero levels of Shellshocked and possibly Traditional and Radical. Do not bring warm bodies pointlessly! If you have only one or two available melee gals, hard pass. You need about 6 to be effective. There is a quarterstaff in the basement, and the ground floor has easily defensible bathroom doors, which you will have to heavily lean on. If you get ghosts, even if they faint, keep attacking their downed bodies with the quarterstaff (or martial arts) until the ZZZzs dissapear.

*!Highway House!

This mission is a two-trick pony. You will face a serious contingent of Highwaymen (no big deal), Stormrats (fucking resilient goddamned bastards - need high powered guns, melee, or non-traditional damage sources like flamethrowers or big bows). The second snag is the field gun who appears in fromt if a L-shaped house. It will not move, but has sniper behaviour and will ALSO react on you if you cross its facing or end your turn in its LOS. The first way to deal with it is to carefully sneak a melee gal through the building to  the gun's back and ax him a question. The second, easier way is to use poison gas grenades to kill the gun, one or two should be enough. The third way would be to throw any explosive. Note that this will destroy the 25mm ammo in the gun which is presumably what you're there for in the first place. (Dr. Vahlen told me to inform you of this.)


*Mansions
*Organ Grinder
*UAC Vaults

These missions I would rate relatively dangerous. They are worth doing, no question about it, but they are really firmly set in the early midgame, and your issues by then are not surviving the score. There are multiple ways to survive them easily, but you're better off asking on Discord about them, the tactics for them cannot be condensed as easy.

3) Abusing ninjas for fun profit.

If the ninjas are next door to you, or if you have a reasonably durable ship with some guns, you can abuse ninja Outposts to recoup some of the points they steal from you. The principle is to grind the infinite jetbikes or jetfighters to convince the government you are not resting on your laurels. You can bully Airfields, Outposts and HQ lv1 and 2. AVOID Fortresses and HQ lv3, those require realllly specialized equipment.

Tactic A) Convoy with 3 14mm chainguns and 4 decent pilots + a puller(ship with 2450+ speed: Hawk, Pachyderm, Hunter-Killer). Park your convoy next to your base, fly your puller to your oupost of choice, gather a bunch of jetbikes, and carefully maneouver yourself back to base. The jetbikes will target the convoy, and will happily be ground to a paste by the triple 14mm. Can use 25mmx2, 30mm, oscillators, charger lasers. Avoid rattlesnakes, 50mm, singlet 25mm. If you have GOOD pilots you can even use LMG or HMG.

You can do this about 3 times per month, and the convoy is cheap enough to sell damaged ones and buy pristine ones to avoid hefty repair times.

Tactic B) If you have acces to shielded ships, or ships that repair fast (Fortuna, Bonaventura, Metallo, Snake), you can forsake the convoy/puller combo, and use the ship of your choice to bully them directly. Careful though! All those this are expensive and/or irreplaceable, so for the love of all that is holy, use GOOD pilots. (+35/+35% at least). Weapon choice is expanded to include Quadcannon as a hvy mount, and spikes as missile mounts). If you lose your menace to this, do not come crying to me. You've been warned!

Anyway, if I missed anything, or needs expanding, post here, and I'll revise and refine the guide as much as possible.
« Last Edit: July 24, 2022, 12:33:18 pm by Iazo »

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Re: Help! I am losing games because of score! [Guide]
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2021, 01:52:39 pm »
Not much to add.  Some thoughts here:

-You can speed up glamour generation for bounty hunt C by using bikes or little bird for easy missions.  Probably not worth the hangar space until a second base, though.

-I personally like gambling anyways:  The extra money can go towards increasing aircar race coverage for more jack tokens, and the extra dakka is just so nice.

-As said in the most recent main thread, I found going heavy on bandit shoot downs to really help with score a lot.  Green codex, iron tribes start, something along those lines.  You get extra score from raids, shootdowns, and preventing the enemy from gaining mission score. In march alone I got about 3k extra score just from a charge laser in shootdowns and score loss prevention.

The main tgargets are civiliains, bandit zepellins (slow big dark turd with no radar), necroplanes, and hunter killers that move at exactly 420 speed (thundebolts)

I have no experience with Little bird.  If little bird can shoot down a thunderbolt with only 1 chaingun, it might be useful to throw it into their flight paths.  But it just feels like a waste of hangar space TBH.  With all the air variety we should really start with 3 hangars these days :/

-Researching every captive exactly once gives extra score when you capture them.  With some oddball exceptions that don't really matter include white shamblers (corpses okay).

-Getting warehouse wars in january feels a bit hardcore rushing that specifically, I tend to go for it in feb or march (if codex rushing).  Getting bounty hunting in january deserves red text haha.


Anyways, on lower difficulties, brainers are good enough, though, so it's really mostly about making more money to afford them.  On john silver I would use the typical low effort money route (5 brainers -> 100 runts chateau/grog -> 13 brainers -> 1 plantation base -> personal labs -> ??? -> profit).  Brainers from the get go makes more sense on higher difficulties since the extra missions pull in more score and loot, not to mention grog doesn't make any money on jack really.
« Last Edit: December 29, 2021, 05:11:51 pm by Greep »

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Re: Help! I am losing games because of score! [Guide]
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2021, 10:05:40 pm »
i lost another game after 14 months with a whooping -6800 score. While Iazo and Greep give good advice (still: all the codex crafts rely on the mercy of Aren Jesus, which might grant you or not the shadowmasters tech), imo the most important thing is tackling the ninja base by whatever means necessary. The base constantly spams crafts which hover long enough to tank any score you might get by sucessful missions.

still found no way to get rid off theit turrets, which shreded my truck in two turns


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Re: Help! I am losing games because of score! [Guide]
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2021, 10:14:08 pm »
This is very much besides the point, but 14 months in you should be competent enough to shootdown anything the ninja bases put in the air, that drain score.

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Re: Help! I am losing games because of score! [Guide]
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2021, 11:55:10 pm »
It is a bit silly that john silver now is where jack sparrow used to be in terms of score pressure just one major update ago.  Hopefully that gets fixed sometime.

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Re: Help! I am losing games because of score! [Guide]
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2022, 02:23:45 pm »
Updated with ino on Socializing and Highway House.

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Re: Help! I am losing games because of score! [Guide]
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2022, 12:36:41 pm »
A small correction.  Despite the exclamation marks, !Socializing! does not actually unlock any missions.  The party mission is unlocked by Party Dress.

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Re: Help! I am losing games because of score! [Guide]
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2022, 03:53:30 pm »
I'm going to take you at your word, but that seems like a bug to me.

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Re: Help! I am losing games because of score! [Guide]
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2022, 09:38:11 pm »
Socializing itself doesn't give you a new mission, but is adjacent to two new ones.

Spoiler:
The party mission that can net you a lot of captives if you have some good brawler gals, but you must research the party dress first, and the precinct defense, which just puts you against a lot bandits, should be quite doable if you can handle bandit towns, but you need to stop targeting civilian traffic first, the govts won't deputize common robbers

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Re: Help! I am losing games because of score! [Guide]
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2022, 02:36:36 pm »
In general try to get a lot of brainers early on as tech and repeatable tech gives you points so you can keep ahead through that way

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Re: Help! I am losing games because of score! [Guide]
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2022, 03:50:31 pm »
Oh shit, the graphs broke. I'll add some replacements later today.


Edit: Added section on ninja bulli.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2022, 05:15:08 pm by Iazo »